Wladimir Klitschko's "jab jab grab" in the firmament of all-time

[QueensburyRules]

I'd love to be the technique guy but I doubt I actually am. I'm just loud, you know it's true

I'm not saying Corbett was bad, just that being technical in 1890 doesn't require a very big bag of tricks.

I hadn't noticed until this post so I should probably clarify. I went based on how deep not how perfect. So like take Joe Walcott for example. He does more stuff than Wlad by a mile, but, I'm not sure I'd say he's as good as jabbing and clinching as Wlad is. So maybe I'm off talking about A while y'all really talking about B.

I don't mean to say Corbett was bad at running away until his opponent got tired, just that it's a very simple and basic game plan and because it's so simple I struggle to think of Corbett as a technical marvel but if the theme is who was very very good at what they did then I'd have both Corbett and Wlad very high actually.

- - I'm saying no heavy controlled offensive and defensive distance as well as the Ks who did it with footwork and reach without being runner/stinkers. The scoring of their fight records affirms this.

[Marchegiano]

- - I'm saying no heavy controlled offensive and defensive distance as well as the Ks who did it with footwork and reach without being runner/stinkers. The scoring of their fight records affirms this.

When defending technical prowess if you only have two things worth mention that ought to be your clue you're defending the wrong guy.

Marciano did, and did it using more than reach and footwork.

Wlad by my own post with additions from Bury is at:

Jab

Clinch

Cross

Rare Uppercut

Distance

Reach

Footwork

Let's add some we all know Wlad does

Rare left hook

**** I'm kinda done already


Conversely, technically deficient Marciano:
Left Hook

Right Hook

Overhand

Overhead

Uppercut

Clinch

Jab

Cross

Phantom

Gazelle (? I got that name from YT, I used to hear "leaping")

Jolt

Distance (if standing tall is Big Man then surely crouching is Small Man and does the same, controls distance)

Reach (Ditto)

Footwork (Ditto)

Suzie Q

Upper body movement



Technically weak and with a very small bag of tricks. Basically just a right hand that keeps coming.....still son's Klitschko on technique alone.

[ShoulderRoll]

- - I'm saying no heavy controlled offensive and defensive distance as well as the Ks who did it with footwork and reach without being runner/stinkers. The scoring of their fight records affirms this.

You don't think Wladimir Klitschko was a stinker?

That's a minority opinion. Just so you know.

[QueensburyRules]

You don't think Wladimir Klitschko was a stinker?

That's a minority opinion. Just so you know.

- - For emasculated Americans and Brits only. Ks are wildly international.

Yeah, carefully box for a slow beatdown of overmatched 'murican or wanker before boom, lights out. Rinse and repeat.

What can I say but for when the Ks showed up, your guys left the ring to hide out in the hills.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - I'm saying no heavy controlled offensive and defensive distance as well as the Ks who did it with footwork and reach without being runner/stinkers. The scoring of their fight records affirms this.

I understand your point regarding their ring generalship; ability to control/dominate the flow of the fight, true, but in prize fighting, 'scoring affirms' nothing.

A boxing score card affirming what actually happened? What a terrible argument to make.

That's like assessing the prowess of an Olympic gymnast based on the East German judge's score. (A metaphor for our age group only.)

[QueensburyRules]

I understand your point regarding their ring generalship; ability to control/dominate the flow of the fight, true, but in prize fighting, 'scoring affirms' nothing.

A boxing score card affirming what actually happened? What a terrible argument to make.

That's like assessing the prowess of an Olympic gymnast based on the East German judge's score. (A metaphor for our age group only.)

- - They can only fight in their era, so they insure if the 15% of the time the fight goes the distance, they get the win They sell out soccer stadiums and have the best preshow and ring entrances in boxing.

[ShoulderRoll]

- - For emasculated Americans and Brits only. Ks are wildly international.

Yeah, carefully box for a slow beatdown of overmatched or wanker before boom, lights out. Rinse and repeat.

What can I say but for when the Ks showed up, your guys left the ring to hide out in the hills.

America has a history of great heavyweight champions going back over 100 years. If the Klits didn't move the needle there was a reason for it, their skillset and entertainment value obviously weren't up to par.

It surely wasn't due to xenophobia. Manny Pacquiao and Canelo aren't from the US yet they have been embraced and become megastars here.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - They can only fight in their era, so they insure if the 15% of the time the fight goes the distance, they get the win They sell out soccer stadiums and have the best preshow and ring entrances in boxing.

Debate is a big part of the cadence here at Boxing Scene. The first instinct of good and silly posters alike is to challenge another poster's opinion. Nothing wrong there, and several times I've even noted good points made in those challenges to somebody's thoughts. For some reason I seem to derive even greater satistfaction from agreeing. And I agree with this. Seeing Larry Holmes break an opponent’s powers of resistance and drown him over the rounds, or Mike Tysin bound across the ring and rip a challenger's soul out, or Holyfield outlast his adversary's will, or Lewis impose his command of his broad frame on a string of contenders, or Wladimir using intelligent positioning to plant the knockout on his era of competitors, they each did it their way; and it NEVER bored me. During the Klitschko era I'd feed my thirst by pivoting over to K-1 to watch Aerts, Hoost, Schilt, LeBanner, Bonjaski smash each other apart or to the UFC/Pride to catch someone slapping on an armbar or a RNC to finish a fight; but I always returned to boxing and understood that nothing compares to a Heavyweight Championship spectacular. Never ever bored. 303 years of heavyweight champions since the revival of the title, every fight and every champion a unique chapter in the saga, and I find joy in all of it. I make a poor critic of Boxing, because I enjoy Boxing. Dig?

[The Old LefHook]

Willow The Wisp does not even understand what he is doing to himself by coddling Queensbree. Queenie is our class halfwit around here, and the sooner poor old Willow realizes this the more shards of respect he might retain.

All my compromises stop with Vlad Klit. He got by in a WEAK era because all the giants had not arrived yet. He could only have fought as a heavyweight where he outsized everyone. A lightweight Vlad Klit would have been useless and deficient.

Excuse me while I watch two guys kiss as they destroy one of their credibility.

[Willow The Wisp]

Willow The Wisp does not even understand what he is doing to himself by coddling Queensbree. Queenie is our class halfwit around here, and the sooner poor old Willow realizes this the more shards of respect he might retain.

All my compromises stop with Vlad Klit. He got by in a WEAK era because all the giants had not arrived yet. He could only have fought as a heavyweight where he outsized everyone. A lightweight Vlad Klit would have been useless and deficient.

Excuse me while I watch two guys kiss as they destroy one of their credibility.

I like it. Can't say why.