Wladimir Klitschko's "jab jab grab" in the firmament of all-time

[QueensburyRules]

Willow The Wisp does not even understand what he is doing to himself by coddling Queensbree. Queenie is our class halfwit around here, and the sooner poor old Willow realizes this the more shards of respect he might retain.

All my compromises stop with Vlad Klit. He got by in a WEAK era because all the giants had not arrived yet. He could only have fought as a heavyweight where he outsized everyone. A lightweight Vlad Klit would have been useless and deficient.

Excuse me while I watch two guys kiss as they destroy one of their credibility.

- - Not unusual at all for emasculated American Males singing in soprano now to imagine they're still the all conquering conquerors of the New World of the Old Kingdoms.

[BattlingNelson]

I’m somewhat puzzled regarding the ‘hate’ Wlad gets. I struggle to understand why some can’t comprehend that more competition gives a better elite. That will be the general rule. There may be few exceptions but that’s it.

You have posters here who don’t understand or know or can’t remember how dominant Wlad was. He was so dominant that his best opposition ****ed him! Read that again! The heavyweight champion was ducked!! First time it took several years before this guy assembled the courage and gigantic financial backing, to finally be ready for to make yhe challenge.

For that fight Wlad travelled to his opponents hometown and won in dominant (yet boring) fashion And that was for a record purse. Far more than Lummox or Tyson ever got for a fight.

Then late in his career after showing clear signs of decline, suddenly a fat yank contender emerges to massive (exaggerated and undeserved) hype. This contender wins an alphabet belt and then claims he is the ‘world’ champion. When asked about fighting Wlad in a unification the amazed public is told that this ‘world’ champion isn’t ready!!! That he is still a baby!!!! Imagine that. An old over the hill Wlad still strikes so much fear into top fighters that they haven’t got the guts to fight him.

Here on boxing scene we have posters saying Wlad is sjit. Yet his contemporaries didn’t want to fight him….. weird much? Fatyankian bias much?

what if Wlad was an American champion? One that dominated for so many years. One that never ducked or avoided anyone. Ducks or avoided top contenders is plentiful among those heavies you guys place in your top 10s.

We have a headline citing jab, grab etc as a clear platform to spew derogatory posts bcs Wlad is not loved by some yanks. Imagine if we described another fighter with clinch, clinch, headbutt, clinch, clinch, low blow, clinch. Since this fighter is a yank homeboy, he is seen as a great fighter for some reason. He has plenty of ducks also. What if this fighter was say German ? Would he then be great?

We also have another fighter. Yank. One that cherry-picked his opponents. One that had only one ko in the last many years of his career. Is this guy called boring?

[ShoulderRoll]

American or not American has very little to do with it from what I see.

Again, Pacquiao and Canelo are not American. Why did they become huge stars while Klit didn't?

That's the question you have to answer.

[BattlingNelson]

American or not American has very little to do with from what I see.

Again, Pacquiao and Canelo are not American. Why did they become huge stars while Klit didn't?

That's the question you have to answer.

Why do I have to answer?
What happens if I answer?
And finally: It’s easy to answer…..

[Willow The Wisp]

Lol. Not sure who gets the most hate (disrespect in polite circles) here; fat & emasculated Yanks, media creation imposter Anthony Joshua, blubbery Tyson Fury, never fought anybody "Beyonce" Wilder, The boring nobody who wasted our time for 15 years Wladimir Klitschko, or new posters trying to break into the lively dialog. But it's all good. 1st world problems for certain. I've traveled pretty broadly. Loved every country I've been honored to see. They all have beautiful women, interesting cultures, delicious food and nice people; every one of em'. The fighters? Well I've made known how much I respect them. And the posters here???? Not 100% sure yet. Kiss my ass a little and we'll see. Lol.

Just funnin' ya.

Armchairs breed cynicism and combat sports breed contempt. None of you should be too hard on yourselves for what you've become after setting out to discuss the enthralling subject of Boxing History with such pure intentions.

[Willow The Wisp]

I’m somewhat puzzled regarding the ‘hate’ Wlad gets. I struggle to understand why some can’t comprehend that more competition gives a better elite. That will be the general rule. There may be few exceptions but that’s it.

You have posters here who don’t understand or know or can’t remember how dominant Wlad was. He was so dominant that his best opposition ****ed him! Read that again! The heavyweight champion was ducked!! First time it took several years before this guy assembled the courage and gigantic financial backing, to finally be ready for to make yhe challenge.

For that fight Wlad travelled to his opponents hometown and won in dominant (yet boring) fashion And that was for a record purse. Far more than Lummox or Tyson ever got for a fight.

Then late in his career after showing clear signs of decline, suddenly a fat yank contender emerges to massive (exaggerated and undeserved) hype. This contender wins an alphabet belt and then claims he is the ‘world’ champion. When asked about fighting Wlad in a unification the amazed public is told that this ‘world’ champion isn’t ready!!! That he is still a baby!!!! Imagine that. An old over the hill Wlad still strikes so much fear into top fighters that they haven’t got the guts to fight him.

Here on boxing scene we have posters saying Wlad is sjit. Yet his contemporaries didn’t want to fight him….. weird much? Fatyankian bias much?

what if Wlad was an American champion? One that dominated for so many years. One that never ducked or avoided anyone. Ducks or avoided top contenders is plentiful among those heavies you guys place in your top 10s.

We have a headline citing jab, grab etc as a clear platform to spew derogatory posts bcs Wlad is not loved by some yanks. Imagine if we described another fighter with clinch, clinch, headbutt, clinch, clinch, low blow, clinch. Since this fighter is a yank homeboy, he is seen as a great fighter for some reason. He has plenty of ducks also. What if this fighter was say German ? Would he then be great?

We also have another fighter. Yank. One that cherry-picked his opponents. One that had only one ko in the last many years of his career. Is this guy called boring?

I appreciate the thoughts.

[Willow The Wisp]

You don't think Wladimir Klitschko was a stinker?

That's a minority opinion. Just so you know.

I have no hesitation confessing that I found myself, on around 2010, wondering if the Era of the Klitschkos would end soon enough before Boxing went into a deep slumber. And, we might recall that the Lineal champion Tyson Fury used to serve as the butt of jokes; gifs made from the times that he uppercutted himself, or went down against Cunningham. But the moment his arm was raised against Wladimir and the era of the Klitschkos was over. It was like the Junior Prom in Mary's mouth. Sublime.

[ShoulderRoll]

Why do I have to answer?
What happens if I answer?
And finally: It’s easy to answer…..

You don't have to answer, feel free to dodge the question if you want.

But the truth doesn't go away just because you choose to ignore it.

"Emasculated fat Yanks" have had no problem making superstars out of foreigners who beat our fighters. In the case of Manny Pacquiao he was even more loved here than his American rival Floyd Mayweather.

Wladimir Klitschko was never able to crossover and be embraced in the American market like a Pacquiao or a Canelo or a Roberto Duran etc. He simply lacked the excitement and boxing skillset to do so in my opinion.

[The Old LefHook]

Just think how good Sanders and Brewster and Joshua must have been. Gee! Three different styles he could not handle.

In fact, the advice of his greatest trainer was tantamount to: Do not try to have a fighting heart, Vlad. Stay away and pepper them from long range until they give up. Run, young man, run. In close, clinch. You might as well stink the place up. It is better than being knocked cold again with tangled stork-legs, isn't it?

An athlete, not a boxer, he was more suited to the NFL or the NBA than for boxing, because of his mere rudimentary boxing technique and paucity of fighting heart. He ushered in the era of giants, but could now not even compete successfully within it, I believe. This is a man who never got beyond holding his left straight out to ward off opponents, blinding himself as well. Three decent fighters knocked him out for it. Think what his results would have been against the greats!

I have gleaned much information from this debate. I could tell you who Klit fans would vote for, if they were only Americans or illegal aliens. I could assign their degrees of Woke-ness accurately.

POLL:

How many believe V. Klit was a great fighter and Lia Thomas is a great female swimmer?

[QueensburyRules]

You don't have to answer, feel free to dodge the question if you want.

But the truth doesn't go away just because you choose to ignore it.

"Emasculated fat Yanks" have had no problem making superstars out of foreigners who beat our fighters. In the case of Manny Pacquiao he was even more loved here than his American rival Floyd Mayweather.

Wladimir Klitschko was never able to crossover and be embraced in the American market like a Pacquiao or a Canelo or a Roberto Duran etc. He simply lacked the excitement and boxing skillset to do so in my opinion.

- - U as OP framed a leading question that would be stricken in a court of law for assumption of an unproven truth.

Point in fact the nominal fractional % of all fighters having the popularity of Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey, SRRobinson, and Manny has no bearing on the excellence of any fighter, ie Gene Tunney or Michael Spinks.

Wlad had the best left hand in boxing, having more than a half dozen variations of his jab from poleaxe to beatchslap and his full and fractional KO inducing left hooks. He won at least a half dozen fights by KO using the left alone. The only time he grabbed was when the fighter managed to lurch inside his controlling fight distance.