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The complaint I heard more than any other is of Grebs “holding and hitting” which he was guilty of “in every fight”.
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That's interesting. Where did you hear this? Everything I've ever read says greb threw non stop punches from every imaginable angle.Originally posted by HOUDINI563 View PostComment
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Don't know if it was true or one of those things were historians piggy back off one another . . . But everyone calls Greb dirty, and I do mean everyone, both contemporaries and historians.Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
They say his decision over Micky Walker was shameless.Comment
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- -This the latest bio said to be quite complementary of Greb who has several bios of him, yet not a single punch thrown in a fight film.Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
Not certain what a massive, slow moving Dutch Windmill has to do with Greb who I assumed was named after small, fast moving American water pumping windmills.
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Gene Tunney said the only time Greb fought dirty is if someone was fighting him dirty and never had any issues with him as far as this in the ring. All fighters have their moments, accidental or on purpose. I can't say either way with no footage but I think with the number of people Greb beat there would be plenty with an ax to grind.Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
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I always ASSUMED/ENVISIONED him throwing multiple, non-stop over hand rights and lefts with his arms mimicking a windmill in fashion. But I have no clue why that's the image I imagined.Originally posted by QueensburyRules View PostComment
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Fleischer wrote an article back in the 20’s that I discovered after covering one of Greb’s bouts. This same critique I found in another article from another NY scribe but forget who.
I envision Greb still as a non stop punching machine this description has to hold true. However at the same time controlling counters by pressing down with one arm/glove and cutting loose with the other.Comment
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Dare I say I think WE overrate Greb. His claim to fame is Tunney I and Walker. Walker a blown up WW and Tunney I is much like LaMotta's win over SRR. It is an impressive win but he caught him early and then couldn't repeat it. Contemporay accounts call the Walker fight a foul fest, all on Greb's end. (Or so they say.)
In the Tiger Flowers decision loses he doesn't come across as being so awesome. And yea I get it, he was blind in one eye, but remember so was Tiger Flowers. People always seem to forget to mention that nuance.
Anyway, when I say 'overrated' I don't mean dropping him from a 10 to a 6, I mean more like dropping him from 10 to a 9.2.
But unless we get some kind of footage the answer will go unanswered, records alone can only tell us so much.
P.S. Plus I find it difficult to call any fighter the GOAT when his contemporaries called him a cheat (his distractors) or made excuses for his excesses (his fans).
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So in trying to parse Greb's career, and evaluate his Light Heavy work separate from his Middleweight work, I have to ask how are we differentiating the two? If using the traditional standard of any 'fight he weighed more than 160 goes down as a Lt Heavy fight' then youd have to consider him more of a Lt Heavy than Middle.
If we allow that there was a little more leeway in weight ranges back then, and Greb fighting in the mid 160s vs an opponent in the mid 160s is still a middleweight fight, or if you figure that most middleweights in the past 40 years are probably in the upper 160s on fight night anyways; then most of Grebs career accomplishments come as a Middleweight.
So to more accurately have this discussion, someone should define which fights go towards him being a MW and which go to him being LHW.Comment
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