No hoper's in championship fights

[JAB5239]

So the WBO thread got me thinking of the "title" fights that never should have happened . The first to come to mind was the Patterson-Radamacher fight. This was for the legit heavyweight championship of the world and a total mismatch in every aspect. The powers that be should have been ashamed for cashing in on this knowing Radamacher stood no chance.

The second and more light hearted because of the opponent was Tim Tomashek vs Tommy Morrison. How the WBO sanctioned this as a "world title fight" is beyond me. Tomashek was a trail horse used to test up and coming fighters. He doesn't even have a best win worth speaking about. But the real kicker is he was pulled from the audience that night while half drunk when Morrisons original opponent refused to leave the dressing room.

What are some other examples of no hope fighters in championship fights?

[Willie Pep 229]

So the WBO thread got me thinking of the "title" fights that never should have happened . The first to come to mind was the Patterson-Radamacher fight. This was for the legit heavyweight championship of the world and a total mismatch in every aspect. The powers that be should have been ashamed for cashing in on this knowing Radamacher stood no chance.

The second and more light hearted because of the opponent was Tim Tomashek vs Tommy Morrison. How the WBO sanctioned this as a "world title fight" is beyond me. Tomashek was a trail horse used to test up and coming fighters. He doesn't even have a best win worth speaking about. But the real kicker is he was pulled from the audience that night while half drunk when Morrisons original opponent refused to leave the dressing room.

What are some other examples of no hope fighters in championship fights?

Let me start with a wink before I jump you.

You're using 20-20 hindsight - if the man climbed through the ropes it's because he believed he could win. Is it really your place to tell a man he may not try because you think he is not worthy?

Might as well have no fights. We'll just have 'think fights.' - I'll think, you'll think, they'll think . . . and then we'll announce the winner. This way nobody will get hurt.

That guy who climbed out of the crowd saw an opportunity to change his career.

Many thought Dempsey was a 'no hoper' against Willard; Braddock-Baer; Clay-Liston; Ali-Foreman; Spinks-Ali; Foreman-Moorer; Douglas-Tyson - hell many thought Pac-Man was a no hoper against Del La Hoya.

Would you have denied Patterson a rematch with Liston?

Who will ID these 'no hopers' for us? Should we deny these men the opportunity if they are willing to try?

If you 'think' it's wrong don't buy a ticket, but don't snatch away a man's dream because you feel he hasn't got a chance. It's his call to make not yours.

OK now that I have given you a hard time let me go along with you . . . Ferguson-Bowe should never have happened. Just because Mercer looked like crap was not a reason to put Jesse in the ring with Bowe. We all knew he didn't t belong there.

P.S. No one wants it said out loud. . . but the Patterson-Radamacher fight was a 'white' thing. That's why that happened. If Pete was a man of color that fight never happens.

[Marchegiano]

Wlad-Mormeck

Wlad - everyone for years but really, really, Mormeck was sad as ****.

[QueensburyRules]

So the WBO thread got me thinking of the "title" fights that never should have happened . The first to come to mind was the Patterson-Radamacher fight. This was for the legit heavyweight championship of the world and a total mismatch in every aspect. The powers that be should have been ashamed for cashing in on this knowing Radamacher stood no chance.

The second and more light hearted because of the opponent was Tim Tomashek vs Tommy Morrison. How the WBO sanctioned this as a "world title fight" is beyond me. Tomashek was a trail horse used to test up and coming fighters. He doesn't even have a best win worth speaking about. But the real kicker is he was pulled from the audience that night while half drunk when Morrisons original opponent refused to leave the dressing room.

What are some other examples of no hope fighters in championship fights?

- -Ama Pete knocked down Floyd, could've KOed him How is that no hope.

Save Ingo and Sonny, Cus had Floyd reduced to fighting nonMob fighters.

Lar----been there and done that Giant Sucking Sound as the Golden 4 of Ali, Frazier, Norton, and Foreman retired. Thanks for the reminder. Maybe this time it sticks in U thick noggin.

[JAB5239]

Let me start with a wink before I jump you.

You're using 20-20 hindsight - if the man climbed through the ropes it's because he believed he could win. Is it really your place to tell a man he may not try because you think he is not worthy?

Might as well have no fights. We'll just have 'think fights.' - I'll think, you'll think, they'll think . . . and then we'll announce the winner. This way nobody will get hurt.

That guy who climbed out of the crowd saw an opportunity to change his career.

Many thought Dempsey was a 'no hoper' against Willard; Braddock-Baer; Clay-Liston; Ali-Foreman; Spinks-Ali; Foreman-Moorer; Douglas-Tyson - hell many thought Pac-Man was a no hoper against Del La Hoya.

Would you have denied Patterson a rematch with Liston?

Who will ID these 'no hopers' for us? Should we deny these men the opportunity if they are willing to try?

If you 'think' it's wrong don't buy a ticket, but don't snatch away a man's dream because you feel he hasn't got a chance. It's his call to make not yours.

OK now that I have given you a hard time let me go along with you . . . Ferguson-Bowe should never have happened. Just because Mercer looked like crap was not a reason to put Jesse in the ring with Bowe. We all knew he didn't t belong there.

P.S. No one wants it said out loud. . . but the Patterson-Radamacher fight was a 'white' thing. That's why that happened. If Pete was a man of color that fight never happens.

It's not my place to say who is or isn't worthy. But it is the promoter and sanctioning organization's if they want to be taken seriously.

As far as Tomashek goes.....I wouldn't begrudge any man taking his shot. But it was a terrible mismatch anyway you slice it. Good on him though as the publicity surely helped his career.

Liston earned his shot at Patterson. There was no way around it. We know this because Cus looked for every single way out of that fight he could think of.

Surely you're right about The Patterson-Radamacher fight. It doesn't make it any less of a mismatch though, something Joe Louis commented on even. I don't know how true it is because I pulled this from boxrec and haven't looked to confirm it yet, but it's said the odds started at 10 to 1 in favor of Floyd. By the day of the fight there were no betting odds because it was such a gross mismatch.

[JAB5239]

Wlad-Mormeck

Wlad - everyone for years but really, really, Mormeck was sad as ****.

Wlad-Leapai. Leapai landed 10 punches in 5 rounds. Ouch!! He did have a win over Boystov who was well regarded at the time, but not much else.

[JAB5239]

- -Ama Pete knocked down Floyd, could've KOed him How is that no hope.

Save Ingo and Sonny, Cus had Floyd reduced to fighting nonMob fighters.

Lar----been there and done that Giant Sucking Sound as the Golden 4 of Ali, Frazier, Norton, and Foreman retired. Thanks for the reminder. Maybe this time it sticks in U thick noggin.

You're an idiot.

And Larry is still living rent free in your head.

[Willie Pep 229]

It's not my place to say who is or isn't worthy. But it is the promoter and sanctioning organization's if they want to be taken seriously.

As far as Tomashek goes.....I wouldn't begrudge any man taking his shot. But it was a terrible mismatch anyway you slice it. Good on him though as the publicity surely helped his career.

Liston earned his shot at Patterson. There was no way around it. We know this because Cus looked for every single way out of that fight he could think of.

Surely you're right about The Patterson-Radamacher fight. It doesn't make it any less of a mismatch though, something Joe Louis commented on even. I don't know how true it is because I pulled this from boxrec and haven't looked to confirm it yet, but it's said the odds started at 10 to 1 in favor of Floyd. By the day of the fight there were no betting odds because it was such a gross mismatch.

I think you misread the Patterson-Liston part but not important. What about the Jesse Ferguson-Bowe fight? - I think that fits your argument well. It shouldn't have happened.

[Willie Pep 229]

- -Ama Pete knocked down Floyd, could've KOed him How is that no hope.

Save Ingo and Sonny, Cus had Floyd reduced to fighting nonMob fighters.

Lar----been there and done that Giant Sucking Sound as the Golden 4 of Ali, Frazier, Norton, and Foreman retired. Thanks for the reminder. Maybe this time it sticks in U thick noggin.

Do you think Pete knocking down Patterson is really a fair argument? Yea, Pete knocked him down, how about a strong wind?

Remember Patterson - 22 KDs in 11 fights, second worst, next only to Charles.

But importantly/seriously Ingo was under the mob control? That I never knew.

[JAB5239]

I think you misread the Patterson-Liston part but not important. What about the Jesse Ferguson-Bowe fight? - I think that fits your argument well. It shouldn't have happened.

I did misread what you said about Patterson. Difference being Floyd was in over his head, but so was everyone else in the division at that time and he was still a top fighter.

You're probably right about Ferguson. I don't think beating an I'll prepared Mercer warrants a title shot. Bowe should have moved on to the next best guy at the time.