Leagues and Divisions Galore

[Rockin']

I just think that in general boxers have way to few fights, that's why a lot of them generate so little fanbase. They aren't active enough. Nash out.

But look at how few promoters are around the country/world. It's nothing like it was when I was fighting and it is nothing close to when the IBC ruled the sport. Where would these fighters all fight, the shows are few and far between today.............Rockin'

[Willie Pep 229]

The UFC is only in its infancy and we are hearing stories of fighters being abused by the monopoly . .. professional wrestling is in crisis as McMahon is economically and medically abusing the hell out of his wrestlers.

If you have a league you are going to need a union and more government regulation to counter the monopoly abuse . . . . of course now, in a classic knee jerk response you'll all crying 'oh we don't want that' . . . so what will be the result: more government or the fighters getting abused?

Leave prize fighting as it is . . . Independent entrepreneurs who can make their own decisions. . . . You don't like easy mandatories, you don't like that the best don't fight each other. . . TFB, you're not the one taking the punches.

[Rockin']

The UFC is only in its infancy and we are hearing stories of fighters being abused by the monopoly . .. professional wrestling is in crisis as McMahon is economically and medically abusing the hell out of his wrestlers.

If you have a league you are going to need a union and more government regulation to counter the monopoly abuse . . . . of course now, in a classic knee jerk response you'll all crying 'oh we don't want that' . . . so what will be the result: more government or the fighters getting abused?

Leave prize fighting as it is . . . Independent entrepreneurs who can make their own decisions. . . . You don't like easy mandatories, you don't like that the best don't fight each other. . . TFB, you're not the one taking the punches.

TFB? The funk bro? ............Rockin'

[Anthony342]

Whatever is done, make the fighters employees and not independent contractors. Give them health insurance and a pension, along with them being in a union. It's also what MMA and pro wrestlers should have, but whenever someone brings that up, promoters try to shut that down. If all the fighters and wrestlers pushed back, it would happen eventually, but they always get too scared. They should just all leave collectively until things change. What are they gonna do, replace everyone? Because that worked out so well in football and baseball when they went on strike.

[Rockin']

A Union can work in the regular world. Boxing is in no way the regular world...........Rockin'

[Willie Pep 229]

Whatever is done, make the fighters employees and not independent contractors. Give them health insurance and a pension, along with them being in a union. It's also what MMA and pro wrestlers should have, but whenever someone brings that up, promoters try to shut that down. If all the fighters and wrestlers pushed back, it would happen eventually, but they always get too scared. They should just all leave collectively until things change. What are they gonna do, replace everyone? Because that worked out so well in football and baseball when they went on strike.

I am pro union and pro government but the current political temperament would make the formation of a fighter's union (boxing or MMA) unlikely. Government has been kicked around the last 20 years (and more than ever now) and unions for the past 40. Most recently we had a President who tried to force a boycott of the NFL when the Players Union chose to support it's players protests. It is this political environment that empowers the powers to be (promoters, mangers, scantioning bodies; and owners) into an irresistible anti-union force. This is the knee jerk response I am referring.

But putting that aside and creating a successful (fair environment) league I still have issues.

I believe it is unreasonable to ask a fighter to fight a predetermined SERIES of fights over a finite period of time, i.e. asking a fighter to fight to a schedule like an NBA player. The damage a fighter occurs from one fight to another, is never consistent and the idea that a fighter should be forced to perform to a schedule will result in a great amount of abuse, regardless of how strong the union may be or how well government regulated it may be.

Fighters must be left to themselves to pick and choose who, when, where, and how often they fight. Fighters are not professional athletes, they are prize fighters; it is a different world, a unnique universe that can't be (shouldn't be) pigeon holed into a league.

[Ben Bolt]

We don't need fewer divisions, we need more. There should be a division for every pound

Please, don't give WBC and WBA any ideas ...

[The Old LefHook]

No, by buggery, we will not leave boxing as it is. Bring the unions on. But 40 acres and a mule is enough retirement for any boxer

[Willie Pep 229]

Is this a serious discussion or a joke? I'll go either way.

IMHO a possible immediate fix is have the federal government inject itself into boxing at a foundation level (as it does with bankruptcy laws) establishing a basic level of protection for the fighters but allow the individual States to expand on those regulations as they see fit (without offending the basic protections.)

For example: promoters, networks, scantioning bodies, and venues (casinos mainly) all could be mandated to contribute some of their profits to a blanket pension fund (avaiable to all fighters).

Other funding coukd be mandated to cover longterm medical care. Etc.

Don King could wear one less gold ring and Arum own one less piece of property, and make the WBC give some of the money back. (Maybe the WBC should build the ***** wall. LOL)

Take the money out of the pockets from those who make millions off these events (the above mentioned.

FIghters don't need to be unionized just protected from the predators.

P.S. Would anyone like to argue that I am being unfair calling promoters, scantioning bodies, networks, and casinos predators?

[The Old LefHook]

There is no particular reason for there not to be independent boxing leagues that do not necessarily subscribe to the Marquis of Queensbree list of rules, but may use similar variants with wide discrepancies in some places. One example might be the open handed Kirk double ear slam, which is a weapon not currently available to boxers, but guaranteed in advance to be a fan favorite. One can think of other easy *********s to the game to help it keep up with a world that changes on its residents overnight while they sleep.

Organizers of lotteries even have to think differently. People already know the lottery organizations are running massive scams for massive amounts of skim. They take most of the money anyway. It is no secret. We even lose money by taking our grand prize in cash.

Some state could give away one million dollars daily in a drawing and still make massive profit, because the model of A Millionaire A Day is so much more attractive (and promising) than one small or medium multi-millionaire every six weeks or so, which is what a super jackpot is reduced to once all the limitations start kicking in and attorneys, advisors, officials and governors **** you long, hard, fast and deep.

There are creative ways to "take all the money," we have not even dreamed up yet.