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  • #21
    Originally posted by markusmod View Post

    Was Tszyu the first to unify he whole division?
    No.

    He was the first in the division to hold 3 belts simultaneously in the 4-belt era, though.

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    • #22
      Oscar and Floyd were amazing at 140

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      • #23
        Originally posted by LeOoze View Post
        Oscar and Floyd were amazing at 140
        I always felt that 140 was/would have been May's best weight.

        But its hard to evaluate either of those two at JrWW, as they only fought 3 fights apiece at the weight.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by markusmod View Post

          I've actually heard people call Tszyu the best ever.... no lie.
          Whose the best at 140 then? Chavez? I'm not too familiar with the weight class myself.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Anthony342 View Post

            Whose the best at 140 then? Chavez? I'm not too familiar with the weight class myself.
            Boxing Scene did a ranking about 15 years ago, here was their top 10

            1) Antonio Cervantes
            2) JCC
            3) Pryor
            4) Locche
            5) Tszyu
            6) Kid Berg
            7) Barney Ross
            8) Hatton
            9) Eddie Perkins
            10) Loi

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            • #26
              - -And lightweight Pryor KOed Cervantes.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post

                Boxing Scene did a ranking about 15 years ago, here was their top 10

                1) Antonio Cervantes
                2) JCC
                3) Pryor
                4) Locche
                5) Tszyu
                6) Kid Berg
                7) Barney Ross
                8) Hatton
                9) Eddie Perkins
                10) Loi
                That's a pretty good list.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

                  No.

                  He was the first in the division to hold 3 belts simultaneously in the 4-belt era, though.
                  That's true, but at the time the WBO was a non-entity. It was like the IBO

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by markusmod View Post

                    That's true, but at the time the WBO was a non-entity. It was like the IBO
                    I agree you have to evaluate each situation separately- who was the WBO champion and was there a dispute?

                    The Ring Magazine tried over the decades several times to adjust to the multiple belt situation (and failed every time).

                    One attempt was to ignore belts altogether and only ID champions that their team held a consensus for - they ended up with more than half of the divisions having no champion, and then it stayed that way for months and months, and then they abandoned the effort.

                    So who was the WBO champion and was there a reasonable dispute worth having?

                    Historically speaking I think it is our call to make. The mere existence of a scantioning body doesn't trump our opinion.
                    Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 07-13-2021, 02:29 AM.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post

                      Boxing Scene did a ranking about 15 years ago, here was their top 10

                      1) Antonio Cervantes
                      2) JCC
                      3) Pryor
                      4) Locche
                      5) Tszyu
                      6) Kid Berg
                      7) Barney Ross
                      8) Hatton
                      9) Eddie Perkins
                      10) Loi
                      Been told Loi was super protected. Doesn't make him not top ten, I'm just wondering if you have any insight or opinion on it.

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