What was the third best era for heavyweights?

[BattlingNelson]

I would do so empirically. Otherwise we all make assumptions. I think that most sports do evolve, but I also believe there are exceptions to every rule. To me if people watch fights and see what fighters are able to do it is a great measure of ability. I think this process would be a great place to start.

I’m not sure you get the point.

You and others may get a collective circlejerk ridiculing the modern era and in particular the klit-era while every objective statistic would indicate that wlad was king for an insanely long period while the competitive level was at an all time high. I will not speculate why you guys think so, just note that it’s what you believe. You have a right to believe what you feel is right, but it might be reasonable to expect by what criteria you measure and compare eras because in a competitive sense there’s just no way of arguing that past eras are better due to my above stated law of numbers. Maybe some are romantizicing past eras. Maybe some are feeling that wlad was boring and the fights duller than previous champs. Maybe some rate eras by great fights they remember or have read about or maybe there’s other criteria’s?

[billeau2]

I’m not sure you get the point.

You and others may get a collective circlejerk ridiculing the modern era and in particular the klit-era while every objective statistic would indicate that wlad was king for an insanely long period while the competitive level was at an all time high. I will not speculate why you guys think so, just note that it’s what you believe. You have a right to believe what you feel is right, but it might be reasonable to expect by what criteria you measure and compare eras because in a competitive sense there’s just no way of arguing that past eras are better due to my above stated law of numbers. Maybe some are romantizicing past eras. Maybe some are feeling that wlad was boring and the fights duller than previous champs. Maybe some rate eras by great fights they remember or have read about or maybe there’s other criteria’s?

No Bats its none of that... It is a fundamental disagreement about criteria for starters. And then it is analyzing different numbers, something done in past threads...no need to rehash here. things like the amount of boxing gyms per capita, the age when fighters entered, started fighting professionally, the pool of other sports draining boxing talent, etc.

I know you feel strongly about this and respect your feelings. I just disagree. hey! meet me halfway in Helsinki you bum! ill murda ya! Seriously though I am always looking at things with fresh perspective... I might change my mind one day as new data comes in.

[Ben Bolt]

Maybe some are romantizicing past eras.

That’s the essence of the Boxing History section.
And I don’t mind it.
Though my belief is, that boxing and boxers have developed
a lot since yesterday …

[ShoulderRoll]

The Klitschko era was absolutely horrid. I will forever have a soft spot in my heart for Tyson Fury because he ended it.

The 1930's with Max Schmeling, Jack Sharkey, Max Baer, James Braddock, and Joe Louis is in the running for the third best era.

[QueensburyRules]

Okay, you want to play like that? You want to talk about action alluding to character do you?

You wouldn't even talk to me like this in person, which is all the proof I need to know you're not just ****** but a *****.

You talk like you're ****ing 12 to men you know damn well you're too old and they are too prime to be talking like that to. Because you're online. You wouldn't risk me beating the **** out of you or even having to look you in the eyes and give you a warning.

That said, if your ****** pansy ass ever wants to try to make a point again, I'll be here again, and what will you do? Be the ****** ***** you are, swerve any point made and pretend like your ass wouldn't go sheepish from a look.

- -Sounds of a puppy squeaky toy masquerading in a traditional manly sport of self defense started by forefathers in England 400 years ago.

I gave a representative list of the top 25 heavies in Sept of 2010, most all of whom would dwarf previous contenders in the history of the sport. Size alone ain't never been the beat all determining factor in boxing, but there's a reason we have weight classes in the interest of fair competition. Facts are your grade school analysis heavily flawed with your subjectivity that no amount of soprano soloing can drown out. American boxing was dying on the vine in the 90s when Vitali came, saw, and conquered by default when he couldn't get any big names to fight him. Welcome to review the Ring top 10 heavies starting with the close of the 90s where the long American centric Ring was slow to the mark, but finally realized the inevitable your candy is still melting over.

[Marchegiano]

I know you opinion regarding Dempsey and black Anerican fighters but what foreign HWs do you feel Dempsey ducked? I ask from ignorance not challenge.

We can't look at the Ring rankings becuse they don't start until 1924 and the NYSAC was only interested in promoting a Wills fight. So if globalism was in question who are these HWs who got denied?

BTW Dempsey was 1/4 ***ish and 1/2 American Indian. I'm sure all those Christian's didn't want to know that.

Funny but with all the black thing going on, when Dempsey fought Willard the newspapers mentioned Dempsey's brown skin hue. Once champion the rhetoric disappeared.

I don't feel like Dempsey ducked like how folks really use that term. I'll make it clear, I believe Jack Dempsey himself feared no man. When I'm talking about ducking black dudes what I'm really driving at is Jack had the opportunity to fight more men who'd look good on his record, hell some of them win or loss would look real good on his record, but chose not to. I don't really care about motivations. Like folks say Jack didn't duck because there was no money in X fight. That, imo, is still a duck. If the opportunity was there and the credit was there but the fight never happened I do blame the man in control and don't accept excuses.

That said, it's not so much a Dempsey criticism or even an era criticism in terms of mood, atmosphere, or morality. It's simply infrastructure and demographics.

I could argue Dempsey ducked a bunch of top Euro fighters because the IBU was way less racist black fighters world wide went to Europe to rise up Euro ranks as a means to get better fights stateside, which has truth to it but isn't really my point.

It's not so much Jack avoided, even if he did it isn't the point I meant to make, as much as boxing in the 1920s is so American White Christian centered there isn't much room for a global field to be champion over.

Like, let's pretend Jack fought all the blacks and SA's and Euros and Asians and Africans, gays, ******s, ***s, you know - everyone, in anywhere near today's percentages then Jack himself would definitely be harder to take shine from but he'd also be an outlier in 1920s boxing and the criticism of older boxing being smaller is still true.

I didn't think about sexuality. Jack world champion or white american CIS christian champion?

Anyway, I don't seriously want to strip Jack of his world title or anyone else prior to real globalism. It's just a food for thought kind of statement.

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't feel like Dempsey ducked like how folks really use that term. I'll make it clear, I believe Jack Dempsey himself feared no man. When I'm talking about ducking black dudes what I'm really driving at is Jack had the opportunity to fight more men who'd look good on his record, hell some of them win or loss would look real good on his record, but chose not to. I don't really care about motivations. Like folks say Jack didn't duck because there was no money in X fight. That, imo, is still a duck. If the opportunity was there and the credit was there but the fight never happened I do blame the man in control and don't accept excuses.

That said, it's not so much a Dempsey criticism or even an era criticism in terms of mood, atmosphere, or morality. It's simply infrastructure and demographics.

I could argue Dempsey ducked a bunch of top Euro fighters because the IBU was way less racist black fighters world wide went to Europe to rise up Euro ranks as a means to get better fights stateside, which has truth to it but isn't really my point.

It's not so much Jack avoided, even if he did it isn't the point I meant to make, as much as boxing in the 1920s is so American White Christian centered there isn't much room for a global field to be champion over.

Like, let's pretend Jack fought all the blacks and SA's and Euros and Asians and Africans, gays, ******s, ***s, you know - everyone, in anywhere near today's percentages then Jack himself would definitely be harder to take shine from but he'd also be an outlier in 1920s boxing and the criticism of older boxing being smaller is still true.

I didn't think about sexuality. Jack world champion or white american CIS christian champion?

Anyway, I don't seriously want to strip Jack of his world title or anyone else prior to real globalism. It's just a food for thought kind of statement.

Could you point me in the direction of some of these IBU fighters from Europe?

[JAB5239]

- -Sounds of a puppy squeaky toy masquerading in a traditional manly sport of self defense started by forefathers in England 400 years ago.

I gave a representative list of the top 25 heavies in Sept of 2010, most all of whom would dwarf previous contenders in the history of the sport. Size alone ain't never been the beat all determining factor in boxing, but there's a reason we have weight classes in the interest of fair competition. Facts are your grade school analysis heavily flawed with your subjectivity that no amount of soprano soloing can drown out. American boxing was dying on the vine in the 90s when Vitali came, saw, and conquered by default when he couldn't get any big names to fight him. Welcome to review the Ring top 10 heavies starting with the close of the 90s where the long American centric Ring was slow to the mark, but finally realized the inevitable your candy is still melting over.

"came, saw and conquered"? Why no rematch with Byrd? You say he couldn't get fights, but he never pursued a rematch to the guy who made him quit, and on a week's notice at that. A guy who was one spot from him in the ratings for several years.

[Marchegiano]

Could you point me in the direction of some of these IBU fighters from Europe?

Personally my favorite IBU champ of all time is George Godfrey. I think he'd've whooped Primo in a fair world.


Anyway, I'm sure you know Georges was an IBU guy and obviously Siki too.

Jimmy Wilde is another IBU name I'm sure you know

Erminio Spalla comes right after Siki (I think!). He was an actor so kinda famous.

Primo of course

Schmeling

Wood****, underrated.

Johansson, also underrated

Basically every big name to come from Europe but not from the British controlled NSC/BBBoC. Who, probably have the better names with guys like Langford, Gains, and Jackson.

[JAB5239]

https://www.boxingscene.com/byrd-vit...top-him--44306