What was the third best era for heavyweights?

[BattlingNelson]

In general we know that with better competition comes better athletes. To expand on that, the best of 1,000 fighters is better than the best of 100 fighters. So the better eras is the eras with the most active fighters and most fights.

That leads us to a question of how to define a ‘best era’. Is it it the era with the best fighters? Is it the era with the best fights? Is it the era with the highest general popularity?

There’ll be different answers depending upon that definition.

[QueensburyRules]

No you don't understand!!! But but but Vit and Klit fought their mandatories!! (keeps yelling about the mandatories as they put the straight jacket on and drag him to the padded cell). Seriously that is usually the explanation given as to the unheralded competition faced by the K brothers... I bet most people cannot even remember who half these mandatories were.... as if being mandatories makes them competative. By comparison? Lewis "ducked" (said sarcastically) John Ruiz, the only fighter ever who threw less punches than his manager (Stoney). to fight Oliver McCall who was a much more legit threat at the time.

- -Why U Daintyboyz now moaning about mandatories? Sissies?

End of the day, once the Eastern Euros were allowed into the pro ranks for the first time, American heavies melted like the snowflakes they had become after dining out for decades about their supposed genetic inheritance of fistic superiority. So yeah, swine need pearls now and again to prove their swine status, so here a slice in time circa September of 2010 by which time Tony Thompson, one of 4 top 10 lefties Wlad fought, was the last American MAN as traditionally defined in the dictionary left in the ranks:

*** Boxrec rankings as of September 5^th while Vitali, Wlad, and David Haye were all putting together their fights. Boxrec is the largest of the few ranking orgs that rank more than 10 or 15 fighters in a division.

The (notes) are mine:

1. Wlad

2. Vitali

3. Haye (already backed out of one signed and sealed contract and refused recent 50/50 offer by the Klitschkos, signing to defend against Audley Harrison in spite of repeated denials that he was even in negotiations)
4. Adamek (pending to allow cuts to heal, but apparently fighting Maddalone in Dec)
5. Chagaev (beat badly by Wlad and currently Haye’s mandatory)
6. Povetkin (refused to sign negotiated agreement to challenge in Wlad’s last defense, thus losing his 2 yr long mandatory ranking, not to mention his trainer, Teddy Atlas, says Povetkin is not yet ready to challenge for the title.)
7. Valuev (interesting deal was almost put together against Vitali, but out into next year with left shoulder/wrist surgery)
*** Out permanently since he never returned to the ring and now an elected politician and popular childrens' TV host.

8. Peter (beat badly by Wlad 2x/Vitali 1x)
9. Thompson (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
10. Chambers (beat badly by Wlad and still rebuilding)
11. Arreola (beat badly by Vitali and still rebuilding)
12. Dimitrenko (new EBU champ, but turned down Klitschko offers, maybe building into a much bigger promotion in the next year of two)
13. Gomez (beat badly by Vitali and a last ditch opponent for now)
14. Sexton (busy being knocked out by Chisora)
15. Boytsov (maybe in the future, but only 24 and shaking off the rust after coming back from hand surgery, now is not his time, maybe a year or two in a bigger promotion)
16. Austin (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
17. Helenius (very promising prospect recently breaking into fringe contender. Maybe a year or two away in a much bigger promotion)
18. Solis (chubby growing into a blimp with promoter problems looking like he’s moving to challenge for the WBA cheese belt, not the Klitschkos)
19. Pianeta (who dat?)
20. T Ibragimov (The lesser talented of the Russian Iggys, his cousin already lost a shutout against Wlad)
21. Sosnowski (beat badly by Vitali and rebuilding against Dimitrenko)
22. Ustinov (undefeated Russian Bigfoot monster promoted by Ks and wants a Kbro. I’m guessing Vitali’s retirement fight if he makes it past Briggs and can’t sign Haye or Valuev)
23. Holyfield (Oh, brother, where art thou buried? Jeez…..)
24. Platov (who? See Pianeta!)
25. Johnson (beat worse than badly by Vitali……..please, watching Vitali try to stuff a giant squash into a blender would be better stuffing for a Saturday night turkey……..nevermore…….nevermore…….)

*** So, thusly informed(diapered in the case of Jellied Billeau,) now say HELLO to one Shannon The Cannon Briggs, lifelong asthmaholic, part time wastrel, yet all while breaking the all time first round KO record first officially recorded by Jack Dempsey in his all time tear through the heavy division. Briggs has 31 first round KOs, unofficially 32 but for failing a post fight drug test, probably a positive test result for ganja. Briggs is unabashedly Jamaican after all and last "American standing" for Vitali in this time frame. Net result was week's residency in a German hospital with busted orbitals.

Lineal Briggs vs Leon Lineal Champ empowered with the Ali scalp, so what sayeth the forum Muffy's, Buffy's and P00psies? At least Moe, Larry, and Curly could generate P4P laughter.

[billeau2]

- -Why U Daintyboyz now moaning about mandatories? Sissies?

End of the day, once the Eastern Euros were allowed into the pro ranks for the first time, American heavies melted like the snowflakes they had become after dining out for decades about their supposed genetic inheritance of fistic superiority. So yeah, swine need pearls now and again to prove their swine status, so here a slice in time circa September of 2010 by which time Tony Thompson, one of 4 top 10 lefties Wlad fought, was the last American MAN as traditionally defined in the dictionary left in the ranks:

*** Boxrec rankings as of September 5^th while Vitali, Wlad, and David Haye were all putting together their fights. Boxrec is the largest of the few ranking orgs that rank more than 10 or 15 fighters in a division.

The (notes) are mine:

1. Wlad

2. Vitali

3. Haye (already backed out of one signed and sealed contract and refused recent 50/50 offer by the Klitschkos, signing to defend against Audley Harrison in spite of repeated denials that he was even in negotiations)
4. Adamek (pending to allow cuts to heal, but apparently fighting Maddalone in Dec)
5. Chagaev (beat badly by Wlad and currently Haye’s mandatory)
6. Povetkin (refused to sign negotiated agreement to challenge in Wlad’s last defense, thus losing his 2 yr long mandatory ranking, not to mention his trainer, Teddy Atlas, says Povetkin is not yet ready to challenge for the title.)
7. Valuev (interesting deal was almost put together against Vitali, but out into next year with left shoulder/wrist surgery)
*** Out permanently since he never returned to the ring and now an elected politician and popular childrens' TV host.

8. Peter (beat badly by Wlad 2x/Vitali 1x)
9. Thompson (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
10. Chambers (beat badly by Wlad and still rebuilding)
11. Arreola (beat badly by Vitali and still rebuilding)
12. Dimitrenko (new EBU champ, but turned down Klitschko offers, maybe building into a much bigger promotion in the next year of two)
13. Gomez (beat badly by Vitali and a last ditch opponent for now)
14. Sexton (busy being knocked out by Chisora)
15. Boytsov (maybe in the future, but only 24 and shaking off the rust after coming back from hand surgery, now is not his time, maybe a year or two in a bigger promotion)
16. Austin (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
17. Helenius (very promising prospect recently breaking into fringe contender. Maybe a year or two away in a much bigger promotion)
18. Solis (chubby growing into a blimp with promoter problems looking like he’s moving to challenge for the WBA cheese belt, not the Klitschkos)
19. Pianeta (who dat?)
20. T Ibragimov (The lesser talented of the Russian Iggys, his cousin already lost a shutout against Wlad)
21. Sosnowski (beat badly by Vitali and rebuilding against Dimitrenko)
22. Ustinov (undefeated Russian Bigfoot monster promoted by Ks and wants a Kbro. I’m guessing Vitali’s retirement fight if he makes it past Briggs and can’t sign Haye or Valuev)
23. Holyfield (Oh, brother, where art thou buried? Jeez…..)
24. Platov (who? See Pianeta!)
25. Johnson (beat worse than badly by Vitali……..please, watching Vitali try to stuff a giant squash into a blender would be better stuffing for a Saturday night turkey……..nevermore…….nevermore…….)

*** So, thusly informed(diapered in the case of Jellied Billeau,) now say HELLO to one Shannon The Cannon Briggs, lifelong asthmaholic, part time wastrel, yet all while breaking the all time first round KO record first officially recorded by Jack Dempsey in his all time tear through the heavy division. Briggs has 31 first round KOs, unofficially 32 but for failing a post fight drug test, probably a positive test result for ganja. Briggs is unabashedly Jamaican after all and last "American standing" for Vitali in this time frame. Net result was week's residency in a German hospital with busted orbitals.

Lineal Briggs vs Leon Lineal Champ empowered with the Ali scalp, so what sayeth the forum Muffy's, Buffy's and P00psies? At least Moe, Larry, and Curly could generate P4P laughter.

Yes it was a weak era. So it encouraged a lot of amatuer brought up guys out of eastern Europe. They were not special fighters... they all fought in a very restricted manner, they were solid but simply limited. Watch what a fighter like Ustinov, or pianeta, or Ibragimov can actually do in the ring, and compare it to a typical fighter Liston fought.... Just watch the tapes. The Eastern Euro invasion: no body punches, little head movement, very basic footwork, little punch selection.

I have said this before: back in the late eighteen hundreds British boxing trainers were bemoaning the Ammy style... and for good reason, even then innovation and skills, creativity and using the power hand (punch selection) were lacking as compared to fighters like McCoy, Smith, Sharkey.

You are seriously deluded... Nuff said. Put the bottle down and actually look at these fights/fighters you mention. Lyle would beat all of them the same night! lol. and Mcqueeny youwould have an excuse as they flew by like batman villians from the tv theme show...

[Marchegiano]

- -Why U Daintyboyz now moaning about mandatories? Sissies?

End of the day, once the Eastern Euros were allowed into the pro ranks for the first time, American heavies melted like the snowflakes they had become after dining out for decades about their supposed genetic inheritance of fistic superiority. So yeah, swine need pearls now and again to prove their swine status, so here a slice in time circa September of 2010 by which time Tony Thompson, one of 4 top 10 lefties Wlad fought, was the last American MAN as traditionally defined in the dictionary left in the ranks:

*** Boxrec rankings as of September 5^th while Vitali, Wlad, and David Haye were all putting together their fights. Boxrec is the largest of the few ranking orgs that rank more than 10 or 15 fighters in a division.

The (notes) are mine:

1. Wlad

2. Vitali

3. Haye (already backed out of one signed and sealed contract and refused recent 50/50 offer by the Klitschkos, signing to defend against Audley Harrison in spite of repeated denials that he was even in negotiations)
4. Adamek (pending to allow cuts to heal, but apparently fighting Maddalone in Dec)
5. Chagaev (beat badly by Wlad and currently Haye’s mandatory)
6. Povetkin (refused to sign negotiated agreement to challenge in Wlad’s last defense, thus losing his 2 yr long mandatory ranking, not to mention his trainer, Teddy Atlas, says Povetkin is not yet ready to challenge for the title.)
7. Valuev (interesting deal was almost put together against Vitali, but out into next year with left shoulder/wrist surgery)
*** Out permanently since he never returned to the ring and now an elected politician and popular childrens' TV host.

8. Peter (beat badly by Wlad 2x/Vitali 1x)
9. Thompson (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
10. Chambers (beat badly by Wlad and still rebuilding)
11. Arreola (beat badly by Vitali and still rebuilding)
12. Dimitrenko (new EBU champ, but turned down Klitschko offers, maybe building into a much bigger promotion in the next year of two)
13. Gomez (beat badly by Vitali and a last ditch opponent for now)
14. Sexton (busy being knocked out by Chisora)
15. Boytsov (maybe in the future, but only 24 and shaking off the rust after coming back from hand surgery, now is not his time, maybe a year or two in a bigger promotion)
16. Austin (beat badly by Wlad with no following)
17. Helenius (very promising prospect recently breaking into fringe contender. Maybe a year or two away in a much bigger promotion)
18. Solis (chubby growing into a blimp with promoter problems looking like he’s moving to challenge for the WBA cheese belt, not the Klitschkos)
19. Pianeta (who dat?)
20. T Ibragimov (The lesser talented of the Russian Iggys, his cousin already lost a shutout against Wlad)
21. Sosnowski (beat badly by Vitali and rebuilding against Dimitrenko)
22. Ustinov (undefeated Russian Bigfoot monster promoted by Ks and wants a Kbro. I’m guessing Vitali’s retirement fight if he makes it past Briggs and can’t sign Haye or Valuev)
23. Holyfield (Oh, brother, where art thou buried? Jeez…..)
24. Platov (who? See Pianeta!)
25. Johnson (beat worse than badly by Vitali……..please, watching Vitali try to stuff a giant squash into a blender would be better stuffing for a Saturday night turkey……..nevermore…….nevermore…….)

*** So, thusly informed(diapered in the case of Jellied Billeau,) now say HELLO to one Shannon The Cannon Briggs, lifelong asthmaholic, part time wastrel, yet all while breaking the all time first round KO record first officially recorded by Jack Dempsey in his all time tear through the heavy division. Briggs has 31 first round KOs, unofficially 32 but for failing a post fight drug test, probably a positive test result for ganja. Briggs is unabashedly Jamaican after all and last "American standing" for Vitali in this time frame. Net result was week's residency in a German hospital with busted orbitals.

Lineal Briggs vs Leon Lineal Champ empowered with the Ali scalp, so what sayeth the forum Muffy's, Buffy's and P00psies? At least Moe, Larry, and Curly could generate P4P laughter.

<--- Wonders how the old guard just melted away given when EEs did fight them those EEs got their asses kicked. Melted? More like got old and retired while the pansy ass robots avoided as best they could.


I also wonder how TF these no hopers being no hopers absolves Wlad from having fought only his mandos or makes a case for a worth a **** era. All you did was point out Wlad and a little bit Vitali whenever Vitali decides he's a boxer again and again were the only fighters worth half a **** in 2010, but, together, the brother managed a total of 4 of them.

Wow, I'm floored. Never seen anyone go through two no hopers a year, what an era. Never seen a pair avoid talent until there is none, lose when forced into fighting talent, and coast on a couple no hoper fights a year. Such an amazing era, such amazing boxers.

Take not Joshua! This is how you melt the USA.

[Marchegiano]

In general we know that with better competition comes better athletes. To expand on that, the best of 1,000 fighters is better than the best of 100 fighters. So the better eras is the eras with the most active fighters and most fights.

That leads us to a question of how to define a ‘best era’. Is it it the era with the best fighters? Is it the era with the best fights? Is it the era with the highest general popularity?

There’ll be different answers depending upon that definition.

I go with that sometimes too.

One thing you can't take away from present boxers every past era lacks is globalism. Boxing has never been as global of a sport as it is now.

Said it a bunch. Is Dempsey a World champion or a white christian american champion? Dude only fought whites and like 98% of them American. By comparison Tyson and Joshua have both seen way more regions represented and way more races and far more cultures.

[QueensburyRules]

<--- Wonders how the old guard just melted away given when EEs did fight them those EEs got their asses kicked. Melted? More like got old and retired while the pansy ass robots avoided as best they could.


I also wonder how TF these no hopers being no hopers absolves Wlad from having fought only his mandos or makes a case for a worth a **** era. All you did was point out Wlad and a little bit Vitali whenever Vitali decides he's a boxer again and again were the only fighters worth half a **** in 2010, but, together, the brother managed a total of 4 of them.

Wow, I'm floored. Never seen anyone go through two no hopers a year, what an era. Never seen a pair avoid talent until there is none, lose when forced into fighting talent, and coast on a couple no hoper fights a year. Such an amazing era, such amazing boxers.

Take not Joshua! This is how you melt the USA.

- -U growed boys in a chorus squealin' in soprano the best evidence of the K domination in the 3rd millennium, now assumed by AJ. Thanks for the proof...

[Marchegiano]

- -U growed boys in a chorus squealin' in soprano the best evidence of the K domination in the 3rd millennium, now assumed by AJ. Thanks for the proof...

Okay, you want to play like that? You want to talk about action alluding to character do you?

You wouldn't even talk to me like this in person, which is all the proof I need to know you're not just ****** but a *****.

You talk like you're ****ing 12 to men you know damn well you're too old and they are too prime to be talking like that to. Because you're online. You wouldn't risk me beating the **** out of you or even having to look you in the eyes and give you a warning.

That said, if your ****** pansy ass ever wants to try to make a point again, I'll be here again, and what will you do? Be the ****** ***** you are, swerve any point made and pretend like your ass wouldn't go sheepish from a look.

[billeau2]

In general we know that with better competition comes better athletes. To expand on that, the best of 1,000 fighters is better than the best of 100 fighters. So the better eras is the eras with the most active fighters and most fights.

That leads us to a question of how to define a ‘best era’. Is it it the era with the best fighters? Is it the era with the best fights? Is it the era with the highest general popularity?

There’ll be different answers depending upon that definition.

I would do so empirically. Otherwise we all make assumptions. I think that most sports do evolve, but I also believe there are exceptions to every rule. To me if people watch fights and see what fighters are able to do it is a great measure of ability. I think this process would be a great place to start.

[billeau2]

Okay, you want to play like that? You want to talk about action alluding to character do you?

You wouldn't even talk to me like this in person, which is all the proof I need to know you're not just ****** but a *****.

You talk like you're ****ing 12 to men you know damn well you're too old and they are too prime to be talking like that to. Because you're online. You wouldn't risk me beating the **** out of you or even having to look you in the eyes and give you a warning.

That said, if your ****** pansy ass ever wants to try to make a point again, I'll be here again, and what will you do? Be the ****** ***** you are, swerve any point made and pretend like your ass wouldn't go sheepish from a look.

Again? when was the initial? did I miss something? Queenie's arguments rest on explaining away any fight that does not fit his agenda. So Sanders becomes this complex juggernaught to tackle... why? because he is... You ready for this?... a Southpaw! Of course Vlad was flummoxed! who ever fought a southpaw after all?

[Willie Pep 229]

I go with that sometimes too.

One thing you can't take away from present boxers every past era lacks is globalism. Boxing has never been as global of a sport as it is now.

Said it a bunch. Is Dempsey a World champion or a white christian american champion? Dude only fought whites and like 98% of them American. By comparison Tyson and Joshua have both seen way more regions represented and way more races and far more cultures.

I know you opinion regarding Dempsey and black Anerican fighters but what foreign HWs do you feel Dempsey ducked? I ask from ignorance not challenge.

We can't look at the Ring rankings becuse they don't start until 1924 and the NYSAC was only interested in promoting a Wills fight. So if globalism was in question who are these HWs who got denied?

BTW Dempsey was 1/4 ***ish and 1/2 American Indian. I'm sure all those Christian's didn't want to know that.

Funny but with all the black thing going on, when Dempsey fought Willard the newspapers mentioned Dempsey's brown skin hue. Once champion the rhetoric disappeared.