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A duck occurs when the champion avoids the copetition for a period of time. Johnson is the King Ducker, had numerous offers, venues and years to make fights. Gee what happened?
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What happened is he accepted numerous times
You guys have been terribly unfair to Johnson. So far in this thread two posters have blamed Johnson for Langford agreeing to terms after meeting to come to agreement, and then failing to keep his side of the agreed bargain. No idea how that works. It's been argued that Johnson, as champion, should have agreed to have a forfeit posted with a newspaper in Australia as opposed to with Al Tearney, who took care of the forfeits in his last two fights at least (including the nixed Jennette battle). It's been denied that the nixed Jennette battle was for the championship, when all the evidence shows that it clearly was. You guys try to hold him to a contract for a whopping $4000 if he won and $2000 if he lost when he just struck gold by winning the championship (yea, give the title away on your first defense all for possibly $2000 when the last champion got $30,000), and all the information that can be found shows that the contract was not even for the fight that you guys claim it was for. No other fighter would be held to these standards.Last edited by travestyny; 05-07-2021, 10:04 PM.Comment
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Thing is....you don’t completely dominate an opponent, knock him down several times and send him to the hospital at fights end AND THEN be afraid to fight him again. Just plain ****** logic.
When they fought both Johnson and Langford were lighter than their prime years. Both were less experienced than their prime years. To believe a completely different outcome would occur in a hypothetical fight 2 would be a fools bet.
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Again we are not talking a give and take win for Johnson. He dominated Langford to a point where Sam went to the hospital at fights end.
Johnson grew into one of boxing’s greatest heavyweight champions. Langford grew into one of boxing’s greatest challengers.
However you don’t completely dominate an opponent and then are afraid to fight them again. In fact to state any ATG heavyweight champion was afraid to fight anyone is a huge step. These are pros at a very high level. Johnson, like Ali, Marciano, Dempsey etc was afraid to fight no one.Comment
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I don't remember dismissing any source completely, but if that's the case, I hope you are not dismissing the book. I have a whole bevy of articles that tell that same exact story. I just think Clay puts together that story quite well.
But oh the hypocrisy. You are suddenly a big fan of "anonymous newspapers." I guess we've come to some common ground, huh?
So then we both agree that Jack Johnson did agree to fight Langford and Langford agreed to the terms, but just couldn't come up with the money? I'm happy we finally can put this one to bed now. Thanks, Clay.
Johnson singed then the money suddenly was enough for him later? Hmmmm. No way did Johnson want to fight a mature Sam Langford. The offers were there ( for a certain period of time ) , we never saw a championship fight. Total duck by Johnson.Comment
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Funny is the amount of offers to Johnson and he accept none of them that could have happened. Well--He did sign to fight Sam Langford in 1909 then backed out of the fight!
I think that's pretty funny. But not as funny as this one. From "Unforgivable Blackness":
Damn. You telling me the reporters got the joke? Who are they to assume this was a joke
By the way, when are you going to prove that those 3 acceptances didn't happen? Or is it just enough for you to assume he wasn't going to fight to fit your agenda?
Also funny was the Unforgivable Blackness call of the Johnson vs Klon***e fight which Johnson lost. Ward who is a very good writer tells it from a ring side perspective, saying something close to Johnson quit like a dog. IF you own the book you can post his exact words here, but you ignore ANY words quotes from the fighters themselves, or factual news accounts that do not suit you agenda!
With KO losses to folks like Choynskii, and Klon***e and defeats to Griffin and Hart, all of whom were better than the 20 year old Jr Middle that Johnson beat ( Langford ) , you 'd have to conclude Johnson would be a loser vs. a prime Langford. I never saw one person say Langford in his prime wasn't better than Choysnki, Klon***e, Griffin and Hart. Not one! Have you? Uh oh. A question mark! Time for you to duck that question. Let's see if I'm right again.
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Signed what? The London contract? You still haven't come to terms with the supposed contract being for a fight that was canceled by everyone involved. It's old already. Unless you have some proof (which you hoped Clay would have, but somehow was missing from his book) then you don't have any legs to stand on. If you could prove it, you would have already. I don't know what else you want me to tell you about it.Comment
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False. The fight was canceled and there was no contract for the May fight. I've already shown proof that they were even still trying to negotiate it with Langford. If there was a contract, they wouldn't have been still in negotiations.
Klon***e? Why do you try to go all the way back to when he first began fighting and then think this means something . It's pitiful. Like you making a big deal about him losing to Choynski. Just stop embarrassing yourself. He lost to Klon***e in his 4th fight. You are desperate
LMAO. There you go again. Choynski and Klon***e. I'm not even sure what you are trying to argue here. What I do know is Johnson sent Langford to the hospital, a fight after Langford beat Joe Jennette.
I get it. You're mad that your boy Jeffries admit that he could never have beat Johnson. You are welcome to cry about that to someone else. Your pitiful Johnson bs is boring now.
How about you talk about the disrespect you show young McVey whom Johnson beat. You know. The same one whom Jeffries wanted no part of
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By buggery, I hate to see even a half witted churl spanked like Travestyny is receiving in this thread. The man never really learned to write, so cannot adequately defend himself. Let him up, Willie. Get off him. If there is any cleanup to do, Queensbree can take care of it. Rest your knuckles, son.Comment
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