Frazier reminds me of La Motta

[Marchegiano]

Curiosly, I'm not sure what you mean here: "One day if you learn something about boxing, read this back, but don't have a gun around, or be near a window in a high location."

But don't have a gun around, or be hear a window blah blah blah.

Why did you add but in there? Surely this was an error on your part? And why so many comma's? It's not English and it doesn't make sense. The proper grammar and syntax here would be to omit the but and comma's like so:

"One day if you learn something about boxing and read this back, don't have a gun around or be near a window in a high location."

Saying I'm going to kill myself when I read this post back after I learn something? Don't you think you're getting a little over-emotional over some posts on a boxing forum? Wishing suicide on someone because they disagree with you is ok?

You're obviously not OK. Maybe you should avoid someone like me and take some time off for health & wellbeing? Maybe talk to your doctors, therapist, etc.



So you're back for another comment, I really think you should take a break. Thanks for proving exactly what I said before, Matthews and his 50 mile run was weak. Take care and get some much needed rest. Have like a hot chocolate and watch a comedy.



Hamlet, how fancy of you! Do you even see the change in your approach? You're trying to use $5 words and references to challenge my obvious level of intelligence. Dont you think that's like kind of sad, like why wouldnt you just be you? Now you're trying to recite Hamlet and the Greeks/Romans like I give a **** as$? I am thoroughly not impressed.

How would you know what the lingua franca is if you don't know what the word actually means? You used a word inappropriately, you can hum and haw about the Greeks & Romans all you like, but at the end of the day you sound like someone who just repeats words they think they know what it means, but they really don't. It's obvious you're corrupt to the point where you just move the goal posts to suit your shortcomings.

Listen to me you fleabottom choad, I know what words mean and you don't ---> it's as simple as that. Your arguments are rubbish and your points are dull. My victories don't need to be individually grandiose, I'm only rebounding them down your throat as you present them so how can I be at fault?

You're actually insulting me for using boxrec because I want to be precise and factual? It's not ok to continuously make mistakes, like you. I don't need spellcheck, I'm good on my own thank you very much. I never thought I would see the day that another person would throw daggers at me for trying to be precise.

The virtue signaling you're doing is disgusting.

Bert Cooper > Joe Frazier.

My there is a lot on your chest huh? All this personal bull**** and hyper focus on intellect. Alright bud, you want me to take you seriously and put in effort do you? Fine. let's prove who we are and see where the chips fall on intellectualism. Oh you've got **** all? Maybe you should stick to the issue at hand then?

That said, there's nothing here outside of you claiming I've tried to challenge you intellect. I haven't. The above paragraph is how I go abouts proving intellectual superiority.

So bud, you think so highly of yourself and your mastery of words; what the **** have you done in your life to bring such arrogance to this forum? You want to prove intellectualism? You're talking to a man who is an engineer, chemist, entrepreneur, and inventor. You can watch me, right now, on Hulu. The **** have you done? Not a goddamn thing? Then focus a little bit on the subject and a little less on the people writing to you.

On the field of academia or intellectualism I haven't got **** to prove to a worm like you. Which is why I write haphazardly. This is for fun, not a proving ground. If being right on a forum makes you feel superior you're a sad little ****.

[War Room]

My there is a lot on your chest huh? All this personal bull**** and hyper focus on intellect. Alright bud, you want me to take you seriously and put in effort do you? Fine. let's prove who we are and see where the chips fall on intellectualism. Oh you've got **** all? Maybe you should stick to the issue at hand then?

That said, there's nothing here outside of you claiming I've tried to challenge you intellect. I haven't. The above paragraph is how I go abouts proving intellectual superiority.

So bud, you think so highly of yourself and your mastery of words; what the **** have you done in your life to bring such arrogance to this forum? You want to prove intellectualism? You're talking to a man who is an engineer, chemist, entrepreneur, and inventor. You can watch me, right now, on Hulu. The **** have you done? Not a goddamn thing? Then focus a little bit on the subject and a little less on the people writing to you.

On the field of academia or intellectualism I haven't got **** to prove to a worm like you. Which is why I write haphazardly. This is for fun, not a proving ground. If being right on a forum makes you feel superior you're a sad little ****.

No actually, there isn't a lot on my chest. You're making it personal right from the beginning, you continously try to impress, and now barfing personal credentials ---> why???

IDGAF what you say you are or what you claim to do. Just stick to the fcuking thread you crackhead. You can make up whatever fantasy you like; Hulu idgaf, engineer idgaf, chemist idgaf. Now inventor, you're really lowering your credibility. Self claimed inventors are always weirdo social exiles.

I've stuck to the issue at hand right from the beginning. It's you and your lady friend who's derailed this into a weirdo diatribe. You've done little other than provided a lack of basic communication skills, your weak riddle for comparison to prove Marciano wasn't guilty of a padded career, and zero insight as to why Frazier is so great. You think you're Mr. Man, but what you've put on the table is canned spam.

You not only write haphazardly, but you also think haphazardly. I don't have to give you a link to my life and even if I told you I was Tommy Hearns you would find a way to shoot a hole through it. You know it, I know it. If you can't back up an argument with legitimacy, why even bother? You've turned this entire thing into a fashion show because you simply can't handle defeat. You've never boxed a day in your life and even if you stepped in a gym, you've never competed on a real level otherwise you wouldn't be such a d1ck riding virtue signalling wannabe.

Lastly, you got Wilder and Power Rangers in your sig??? You are seriously a fcuktwit. Some clown with Power Rangers in his sig is trying to challenge me?? GTFO out here you twot

[Willie Pep 229]

I remember him fighting when I was a kid and he's pretty much known for giving Ali his first loss. Quarry, Ellis, Bonavena, Foster, these guys had loads of losses when he fought them and he fought a few of them a few times. Never fought Lyle or Norton, Foreman turned him into a leprechaun. Not a fan of Frazier as a fighter tbh.

La Motta same thing, mainly known for giving Robinson his first loss and honestly, his record is kind of similar to Fraziers, beat up the same guys a lot. Maybe 2 notable names on there.

I'm not saying Frazier and La Motta were terrible fighters, just they're kind of similar in a way ---> B+ level fighters I think get overclassed as A level fighters.

What do you guys think?

I disagree regarding La Motta and SRR - over the decades it has come down to us as being only two things: SRR's first loss and then the St. Valentine Massacre.

But accepting that SRR is one of the ATG fighters we need to acknowledge La Motta's greatness by recognizing it took SRR 70 rounds of fighting to finally dominate La Motta. (The first five fights were all close; often very close.) Even the final fight was close for the first 11 rounds until La Motta's wheels finally came off in the 12th (and then of course death followed in the 13th).

That's too many rounds of parity with a very great fighter; I can't see him (La Motta) reduced to the second shelf.

Not a big Frazier fan; guess at some level I agree with you there.

[billeau2]

Put as a sig you corny niblet. The other schmuck doesn't know what basic words mean, so I should let that go? You, you ramble and string together words that don't make sense. It's just everything you've put out there, you're blathering, derranged, and sound concussed. Maybe try to be better and you wouldn't get pansted in public so often.

Where did I get curb stomped? When you told me to kill myself? Or was it when you said Frazier as an arm puncher was sig worthy?

Epistemology, big word for an idiot. There is nothing extraordinary going on here. It's all rather simple and who the fvuck says that word without trying to sound smart ---> nobody lmao. You're a chimp in a suit with the arse cut out.

Nobody studies Frazier you daft cvnt. You've never walked the walk so what the fcuk would you know about anything anybody studies? I've never EVER once met a pro or heard or a pro who studied Frazier. What's to study? Call your doctors for a refill or a dosage increase, do it for your mum.

Just promise me you wont go shooting someone at a piggly wiggly or something, deal?

You mad... I get it,I would be also if i had sprouted such crap.Its ok just learn and move on. Heres something that may be helpful along those lines. People DO study fighters... Trainers often put such work on YouTube. they show examples and explain what a fighter is doing, than analyze it and present it... that is studying. Yeah your right, atrocious grammer, word definitions... Phew! you win that one lol. I can't speak for Marchgiano but I really appreciate the grammer critique, now here is an example of someone discussing how Frazier fights, put down all the papers with bad grammer and learn something about Smokin Joe.

[Marchegiano]

No actually, there isn't a lot on my chest. You're making it personal right from the beginning, you continously try to impress, and now barfing personal credentials ---> why???

IDGAF what you say you are or what you claim to do. Just stick to the fcuking thread you crackhead. You can make up whatever fantasy you like; Hulu idgaf, engineer idgaf, chemist idgaf. Now inventor, you're really lowering your credibility. Self claimed inventors are always weirdo social exiles.

I've stuck to the issue at hand right from the beginning. It's you and your lady friend who's derailed this into a weirdo diatribe. You've done little other than provided a lack of basic communication skills, your weak riddle for comparison to prove Marciano wasn't guilty of a padded career, and zero insight as to why Frazier is so great. You think you're Mr. Man, but what you've put on the table is canned spam.

You not only write haphazardly, but you also think haphazardly. I don't have to give you a link to my life and even if I told you I was Tommy Hearns you would find a way to shoot a hole through it. You know it, I know it. If you can't back up an argument with legitimacy, why even bother? You've turned this entire thing into a fashion show because you simply can't handle defeat. You've never boxed a day in your life and even if you stepped in a gym, you've never competed on a real level otherwise you wouldn't be such a d1ck riding virtue signalling wannabe.

Lastly, you got Wilder and Power Rangers in your sig??? You are seriously a fcuktwit. Some clown with Power Rangers in his sig is trying to challenge me?? GTFO out here you twot

Exactly, swerve the point again.

You don't having any boxing knowledge that's impressive to anyone, you don't have any academic knowledge that's impressive to anyone, yet you're here to call, seemingly, everyone in this thread clowns and ****wits and so on.

What exactly did you have to say to my historical importance of weight? Nothing.

What exactly did you have to say about Matthews being on the up? Nothing.

What exactly do you think you've proven? You've done nothing but made a hollow troll thread and trolled poorly through out. Queenie nailed you straight away, I gave you the time of day, you just used me as vehicle to prove how on the nose Berry was.


If you want to make a case for sizes do it. My understanding of a ****ing word doesn't change that. You're good at running that **** sucker but real ****ty at establishing any kind of point. I'm sure in your mind you've won this debate. I'm also sure that's in your mind alone.

[TonyGe]

Of course you can, do you even know what nostalgia means? Literally: a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past. Look at your name, your stance here, some deductive reasoning, and yes ---> nostalgia is a very fitting word. His work rate, other guys get tired. Come on man, that's like zero substance. So yes, nostalgia.

Of course weight matters, Tyson Fury would destroy Roy Jones when Jones was jr middle or midddle. What does ancient history have to do with that? You're talking about times when boxing training didn't even really exist. And I'm pretty sure Tyson Fury would destroy Frazier and his lucky charms.

Jones was 200 on the dot and couldn't even hurt Ruiz, a 205 Frazier isn't any different.

Frazier was a arm puncher that lunged in, the guy had 32 wins in an era where fighters had tons of fights. I mean look at this mess --->

Holmes, Shavers, Norton, Weaver, Cobb, Witherspoon, Tyson, Golota, Mercer, Cooper, Morrison, Ruddock, Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox, Byrd, Pinklon, Bonecrusher, Toney, Moorer, Stewart, Dokes, Botha, Bruno, Tucker, all those guys whoop on little 205 pound Frazier. He wasn't that good.

What mess?? All I see is the opponent trying to hit him and failing..

[War Room]

Exactly, swerve the point again.

You don't having any boxing knowledge that's impressive to anyone, you don't have any academic knowledge that's impressive to anyone, yet you're here to call, seemingly, everyone in this thread clowns and ****wits and so on.

What exactly did you have to say to my historical importance of weight? Nothing.

What exactly did you have to say about Matthews being on the up? Nothing.

What exactly do you think you've proven? You've done nothing but made a hollow troll thread and trolled poorly through out. Queenie nailed you straight away, I gave you the time of day, you just used me as vehicle to prove how on the nose Berry was.


If you want to make a case for sizes do it. My understanding of a ****ing word doesn't change that. You're good at running that **** sucker but real ****ty at establishing any kind of point. I'm sure in your mind you've won this debate. I'm also sure that's in your mind alone.

I commented on weight, you must have missed it. I also commented on Matthews, obviously missed that too.

Who's Queenie?

I did win, you gave me **** and I rubbed your face in it like a dog. You are cracked!

What mess?? All I see is the opponent trying to hit him and failing..

It is highlights right so yea, you're going to see the best of Frazier naturally. Look at the technique of the punches being thrown ---> that's what I'm talking about.

You mad... I get it,I would be also if i had sprouted such crap.Its ok just learn and move on. Heres something that may be helpful along those lines. People DO study fighters... Trainers often put such work on YouTube. they show examples and explain what a fighter is doing, than analyze it and present it... that is studying. Yeah your right, atrocious grammer, word definitions... Phew! you win that one lol. I can't speak for Marchgiano but I really appreciate the grammer critique, now here is an example of someone discussing how Frazier fights, put down all the papers with bad grammer and learn something about Smokin Joe.

Mad like angry or insane? Not sure what you mean, yet again lmao.

Learn what, you're mentally ill, can do!

You're really putting stock in some shethouse trainer that's got video's up on youtube??

Show example, analyze it, present it = studying? Did you even get past high school??

Nothing to learn about Joe Frazier except he was in the right place at the right time. Ok he moved his head, ok he did shetty guard feints, ok he threw arm punches, ok he lunged a lot, ok he did his roadwork and came in shape. Class over, he's your certificate lmao.

Joe would have ended up like Marvis in the next era. Getting punishing beatings from Holmes, Tyson, whoever.

To be honest, I feel kind of bad arguing with you. You've got something wrong and I just can't continue to trigger someone I feel might do something bad to innocent people or himself if worked up enough. Marci can take it, you ---> I'm not sure and I think it's time you take a permanent nap on my behalf.

Best of luck my friend, take care of yourself and I wish you nothing but the best! I would say this was fun, but I would be lying. Ta!

I disagree regarding La Motta and SRR - over the decades it has come down to us as being only two things: SRR's first loss and then the St. Valentine Massacre.

But accepting that SRR is one of the ATG fighters we need to acknowledge La Motta's greatness by recognizing it took SRR 70 rounds of fighting to finally dominate La Motta. (The first five fights were all close; often very close.) Even the final fight was close for the first 11 rounds until La Motta's wheels finally came off in the 12th (and then of course death followed in the 13th).

That's too many rounds of parity with a very great fighter; I can't see him (La Motta) reduced to the second shelf.

Not a big Frazier fan; guess at some level I agree with you there.

I will admit, it has been a long while since I've seen all the fights between Robinson and LaMotta so I can't say for sure I disagree because I genuinly can't remember. I was under the impression Ray had his way with him after the first loss. You've got me interested so when I get some time I'll have another look and it's always a treat watching Sugar Ray do this thing.

Good points and good post. I am a fan of Pep as well, thank you for dropping by.

See billeau2 & Marchegiano, Pep here has the right idea. He presents information to back up his point that isn't vague, hostile, or jock sniffing. Take a page out of his book and rethink insulting people or telling them to kill themselves over a disagrement.

[Willie Pep 229]

I commented on weight, you must have missed it. I also commented on Matthews, obviously missed that too.

Who's Queenie?

I did win, you gave me ****e and I rubbed your face in it like a dog. You are cracked!



It is highlights right so yea, you're going to see the best of Frazier naturally. Look at the technique of the punches being thrown ---> that's what I'm talking about.




Mad like angry or insane? Not sure what you mean, yet again lmao.

Learn what, you're mentally ill, can do!

You're really putting stock in some shethouse trainer that's got video's up on youtube??

Show example, analyze it, present it = studying? Did you even get past high school??

Nothing to learn about Joe Frazier except he was in the right place at the right time. Ok he moved his head, ok he did shetty guard feints, ok he threw arm punches, ok he lunged a lot, ok he did his roadwork and came in shape. Class over, he's your certificate lmao.

Joe would have ended up like Marvis in the next era. Getting punishing beatings from Holmes, Tyson, whoever.

To be honest, I feel kind of bad arguing with you. You've got something wrong and I just can't continue to trigger someone I feel might do something bad to innocent people or himself if worked up enough. Marci can take it, you ---> I'm not sure and I think it's time you take a permanent nap on my behalf.

Best of luck my friend, take care of yourself and I wish you nothing but the best! I would say this was fun, but I would be lying. Ta!



I will admit, it has been a long while since I've seen all the fights between Robinson and LaMotta so I can't say for sure I disagree because I genuinly can't remember. I was under the impression Ray had his way with him after the first loss. You've got me interested so when I get some time I'll have another look and it's always a treat watching Sugar Ray do this thing.

Good points and good post. I am a fan of Pep as well, thank you for dropping by.

See billeau2 & Marchegiano, Pep here has the right idea. He presents information to back up his point that isn't vague, hostile, or jock sniffing. Take a page out of his book and rethink insulting people or telling them to kill themselves over a disagrement.

I wouldn't base my argument of "closeness" on an evaluation of the fights but would argue that they kept being matched because the fans felt the issue unsettled. That's what I meant by the phrase he 'finally dominated.'

SRR won the first 10 round fight; La Motta the second; with La Motta scoring the only KD in losing the disputed third meeting.

I can't speak to the others except for the final MW figh. But La Motta is competitive until the last two rounds.

But no doubt I would rate SRR the greater fighter. But in some way their fights are simliar to what Ali use to say about Frazier - Joe Frazier made me great."

Lew Tendler and Rocky Kansas served that role in making Benny Leonard great.

I feel the La Motta fights helped to make SRR great. It makes La Motta important but not necessarily a great fighter.

[them_apples]

I disagree regarding La Motta and SRR - over the decades it has come down to us as being only two things: SRR's first loss and then the St. Valentine Massacre.

But accepting that SRR is one of the ATG fighters we need to acknowledge La Motta's greatness by recognizing it took SRR 70 rounds of fighting to finally dominate La Motta. (The first five fights were all close; often very close.) Even the final fight was close for the first 11 rounds until La Motta's wheels finally came off in the 12th (and then of course death followed in the 13th).

That's too many rounds of parity with a very great fighter; I can't see him (La Motta) reduced to the second shelf.

Not a big Frazier fan; guess at some level I agree with you there.

for sure, 70 rounds with Robinson is a resume in itself. Robinson really got up for those fights too.

[billeau2]

I commented on weight, you must have missed it. I also commented on Matthews, obviously missed that too.

Who's Queenie?

I did win, you gave me **** and I rubbed your face in it like a dog. You are cracked!



It is highlights right so yea, you're going to see the best of Frazier naturally. Look at the technique of the punches being thrown ---> that's what I'm talking about.




Mad like angry or insane? Not sure what you mean, yet again lmao.

Learn what, you're mentally ill, can do!

You're really putting stock in some shethouse trainer that's got video's up on youtube??

Show example, analyze it, present it = studying? Did you even get past high school??

Nothing to learn about Joe Frazier except he was in the right place at the right time. Ok he moved his head, ok he did shetty guard feints, ok he threw arm punches, ok he lunged a lot, ok he did his roadwork and came in shape. Class over, he's your certificate lmao.

Joe would have ended up like Marvis in the next era. Getting punishing beatings from Holmes, Tyson, whoever.

To be honest, I feel kind of bad arguing with you. You've got something wrong and I just can't continue to trigger someone I feel might do something bad to innocent people or himself if worked up enough. Marci can take it, you ---> I'm not sure and I think it's time you take a permanent nap on my behalf.

Best of luck my friend, take care of yourself and I wish you nothing but the best! I would say this was fun, but I would be lying. Ta!



I will admit, it has been a long while since I've seen all the fights between Robinson and LaMotta so I can't say for sure I disagree because I genuinly can't remember. I was under the impression Ray had his way with him after the first loss. You've got me interested so when I get some time I'll have another look and it's always a treat watching Sugar Ray do this thing.

Good points and good post. I am a fan of Pep as well, thank you for dropping by.

See billeau2 & Marchegiano, Pep here has the right idea. He presents information to back up his point that isn't vague, hostile, or jock sniffing. Take a page out of his book and rethink insulting people or telling them to kill themselves over a disagrement.

You keep digging a deeper hole lol. Yeah he was in the right place at the right time, perhaps the most competitive era in heavyweight history. Are you that ******? That trainer probably spent many hours putting that together, its a lot more than you will ever accomplish. where is your video debunking Frazier? I actually got as far as being a PHD candidate in the University of Toronto, which is why I have an affection for our Canuck posters... My first boy came suddenly and I chose to withdraw from my program...So I still have a Masters which is more than High School.

Your grasping for straws trying to find a friend... Lol. Thanks for taking it easy on me... Pep IS in fact an excellent poster hopefully he can get your general casual knowledge up a bit... In the meantime I will hope you stop killing me... Lol.