How close was Jones vs Hopkins 1?

[elfag]

Said it for a while that hopkins did pretty well. I thought jones won but i think hopkins won around 4 rounds and this was at a time when Roy lost almost no rounds. you can see some of the pressing him to the ropes style bothered jones here and what tarver and glen johnson used when jones lost his mobility.

Hopkins fought a smart fight strategy wise, jones was just so quick it was hard to land on him, hopkins missed a lot but then so did jones. Every now and then you will see someone talk about it like jones dominated and then i can tell they at best watched some highlight clips or just read other peopel's comments and havent watched the fight.

[elfag]

It was a boring fight. Hopkins was a late bloomer, and we saw when he developed that he schooled RJJ in the rematch. Calzaghe deserved more credit for beating absolute prime Bernard Hopkins in an absolute classic war. Nash out.

Hopkins was 43 years old when he fought calzghe and in his 20th year of pro fighting

[elfag]

If you read the other lawsuit Hopkins v. American Presents you find that Hopikins refused a Jones rematch twice, once directly (With Lewis Productions in '95) and then again in '98 indirectly with American Presents.

Hopkins' argument for refusing the first offer in '95 (Lewis Production) was motivated by the fact that Hopkins would only receive $500,000 of a proposed purse of 1.2 million (per Hopkins contract agreement with Lewis Productions.).

The second Jones offer for a rematch was made to America Presents directly ('98) and was for such a lower amount they did not even approach Hopkins with the offer, thus creatimg Hopkins second but indirect refusal to fight Jones.

The judgement in Hopkins v. America Presents went to Hopkins via a counter suit, he received lawyer fees of around 70K. But no punitive money.

WARNING I am not 100% sure I got this all correct.

Basically thought we find that Hopkins sued or was sued by three of his four promoters: Lewis Production; American Presents; and DiBella.

That leaves only Don King. What do you think are the chances I will find a Hopkins v. King civil suit if I go looking for one?

LOL

P.S. For the DiBella suit the jury found against Hopkins for 110K for compensatory damages and 500K punitive. But that was a libel suit not connected to a Jones rematch. ( At least not directly).

I started watching boxing in 99 after all this and it was well into the mid 2000s that hopkisn and jones were going back and forth over what the split should be for their rematch. "60-40 and I whoop your ass" or whatever that quote was.

[Nash out]

Hopkins was 43 years old when he fought calzghe and in his 20th year of pro fighting

As I said, late bloomer. Hopkins was never better than he was that night in his narrow loss to the Welsh Wizard. Nash out.

[QueensburyRules]

As I said, late bloomer. Hopkins was never better than he was that night in his narrow loss to the Welsh Wizard. Nash out.

- - Ol'Slo'Joe stopping the action for 5 min recovery after Slappy Joe slapped Poopsie's protector...priceless...



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[JAB5239]

- - Roy broke his hand and beat Poppy one handed.

Poppy ducked the timely rematch before backing out yet again of gentlemen's agreement to fight the winner of Green/Jones to somehow look even more worse and sissy when he squalled and bawled his way through Jones. Guess Poppy must be p4p #1 Sissy in boxing history.

What timely rematch? There was no need for a rematch directly after the first fight. After Hopkins established himself Jones was already long gone from the division. And what is the "gentleman's agreement" you speak of? These guys went back and forth for years looking g for the bigger, better deal. The rematch occurring so late was both their faults.

[QueensburyRules]

What timely rematch? There was no need for a rematch directly after the first fight. After Hopkins established himself Jones was already long gone from the division. And what is the "gentleman's agreement" you speak of?

- - Post Tito when Poppy was hottest. I'll eschew the snide aside of this being old ground rebroke for the umpteenth time.

[JAB5239]

- - Post Tito when Poppy was hottest. I'll eschew the snide aside of this being old ground rebroke for the umpteenth time.

He didn't fight Trinidad until 8 years after he originally fought Roy. I don't see anything timely about that. Hopkins didn't go to 175 until 2006 and when he did he beat the guy who proved to be Roy's kryptonite. I'm curious as to the gentleman's agreement you're talking about for Jones-Greene? And why would Hopkins jump right to Cruiserweight to fight Greene over Roy? Jones was where the money was at.

[boogbx]

Not close at all. It’s a myth that Hopkins started to figure him out. Prime Roy beats Hopkins any era 10/10

[OctoberRed]

H-J 1 put me sleep - never saw two fighters spend so much time posing in front of each other without fighting. A stinker!

Early on Hopkins found Jones too fast and too strong so he refuse to engage. Jones then chose to accept the decision, and refused to move forward. That was in the fourth round. So we got eight rounds of two posers posing in front of each other refusing to fight.

It was a pretty boring fight, just Jones going through the motions.