Harder hitter Deontay Wilder vs Earnie Shavers?

[Larry the boss]

could you imagine Wilder if he had an actual skill set to set up his power...

[markusmod]

could you imagine Wilder if he had an actual skill set to set up his power...

Exactly. He needs to learn how to put combinations together. I rarely ever saw him go to the body.

[DeeMoney]

could you imagine Wilder if he had an actual skill set to set up his power...

I feel like if he had more skills he wouldnt throw those wild KO shots as often though, ergo we wouldnt think of him as being the big power guy we do today. He would just use his length and skill to outbox guys, kinda like he did in Stiverne I.

[billeau2]

I feel like if he had more skills he wouldnt throw those wild KO shots as often though, ergo we wouldnt think of him as being the big power guy we do today. He would just use his length and skill to outbox guys, kinda like he did in Stiverne I.

Wow, that is an interesting take! You make an excellent point here. Wilder is punching the way nature built us to punch. His reach allows him to hit downward to achieve leverage in that fashion. A trained fighter does not punch this way, he/she punches straight... even a hook is technically a straight shot at a 90 angle. Interesting enough, Marciano punched the way Wilder does, and was really low, had no reach, and fought out of a crouch. Marciano would depend on relentless pressure to make his man go backwards against the ropes (preferably), allowing him to reach the head.

Wilder could use some instruction defensively. He really is vulnerable when going backwards, and he has the same flinch as Vlad Klitsko.

[DeeMoney]

Wow, that is an interesting take! You make an excellent point here. Wilder is punching the way nature built us to punch. His reach allows him to hit downward to achieve leverage in that fashion. A trained fighter does not punch this way, he/she punches straight... even a hook is technically a straight shot at a 90 angle. Interesting enough, Marciano punched the way Wilder does, and was really low, had no reach, and fought out of a crouch. Marciano would depend on relentless pressure to make his man go backwards against the ropes (preferably), allowing him to reach the head.

Wilder could use some instruction defensively. He really is vulnerable when going backwards, and he has the same flinch as Vlad Klitsko.

Yeah, he could use some defense. But outside of a couple new tricks here and there or one big move to hang his hat on I just don't see it happening.

And thats nothing against him, he's an old dog and I don't see too many new tricks being added. He should just take an easy touch right now to stay busy and work on whatever few defensive wrinkles he thinks gets him past AJ. Then a year from now hope that his length+power and that wrinkle gets him a win vs AJ.

I don't even bring Fury into that mix because I think that may be a bridge too far.

[billeau2]

Yeah, he could use some defense. But outside of a couple new tricks here and there or one big move to hang his hat on I just don't see it happening.

And thats nothing against him, he's an old dog and I don't see too many new tricks being added. He should just take an easy touch right now to stay busy and work on whatever few defensive wrinkles he thinks gets him past AJ. Then a year from now hope that his length+power and that wrinkle gets him a win vs AJ.

I don't even bring Fury into that mix because I think that may be a bridge too far.

Yup... agreed.

[markusmod]

Yeah, he could use some defense. But outside of a couple new tricks here and there or one big move to hang his hat on I just don't see it happening.

And thats nothing against him, he's an old dog and I don't see too many new tricks being added. He should just take an easy touch right now to stay busy and work on whatever few defensive wrinkles he thinks gets him past AJ. Then a year from now hope that his length+power and that wrinkle gets him a win vs AJ.

I don't even bring Fury into that mix because I think that may be a bridge too far.

I think he really thought in the Fury rematch that he would just land one big shot and win.

[MikeyMike100]

Wilder for sure. People saying Shavers are either just nostalgic or just out right Wilder haters. Wilder knocks out people who are 240 with 1 punch. No comparison

[MikeyMike100]

And Wilder was better than Shavers as a fighter also and would knock him out.

Actually is interesting cause they both starting boxing late. Wilder at 21 and Shavers at 22.

[Ben Bolt]

People saying Shavers are either just nostalgic

I say Shavers.
In the Boxing History section, 'nostalgic' is the key word. Our heroes of yesterday certainly would demolish every guy that's active today