New film of Dempsey Sharkey bout

[travestyny]

Note the referees statement.

http://www.manchesterhistory.org/New...1927-07-22.pdf

Dude, it's the same quotation that I gave on the first page. Why do you guys always do this? You blatantly ignore what is being said and keep stating the same things over and over. I acknowledged this quotation on the first page even before you mentioned it.

What I'm telling you is that there was another quotation that was clearly about the blow being low. You can also see the referee coming in for the warning, as the ref claims he did at the point of the penultimate blow. But when Dempsey decked Sharkey, he was confused about what to do for awhile and then picked up the count when he heard Bill [McPartland..?](according to Benny Leonard) counting Sharkey out.

I've acknowledged the referee's two quotations. You are refusing to recognize the second quotation because you obviously don't want to believe it was low. If you want to be fair, you would consider the 2nd quotation makes this even more murky.

[HOUDINI563]

I don’t know what more I can tell you. The ref stated the blows were not low. The right hand off the thigh thing was from another earlier sequence. Obviously that last right uppercut was not that blow. In fact it was not. The ref was describing an earlier blow. The referees quotes I posted illustrate he did not reference a low blow regarding that right hand to the body. Read the refs quotes I posted.

[travestyny]

Watch the three punch sequence. These were three very quick right uppercuts to the body one after another. First two you can clearly see. All landed within a few seconds. If we can clean up that film I found from the direct opposite side we will actually SEE that final body blow. If We have discovered something unknown to exist by most everyone. This is very exciting. Unfolding history.

lol. I don't think so, bro.


What we need is a side angle, I think. The colorized video shows the punch with Dempsey obstructing our view, and the video you found seems to show the punch with Sharkey obstructing our view.

I think we can kinda see the first punch, which doesn't appear low to me. I can't really make out the second punch...the third...no chance.

[travestyny]

I don’t know what more I can tell you. The ref stated the blows were not low. The right hand off the thigh thing was from another earlier sequence. Obviously that last right uppercut was not that blow. In fact it was not. The ref was describing an earlier blow. The referees quotes I posted illustrate he did not reference a low blow regarding that right hand to the body. Read the refs quotes I posted.

Where in the quotation I gave does it mention that the ref is referring to an earlier sequence. That's what I want to know.

Especially since he specifically says "preceding the knockout."

[travestyny]

We won't be able to settle this from either of the videos. They don't give a proper angle.


Here is when the punch lands. We won't be able to see it, bro. And I would think Dempsey would have to be pretty flexible to have hit him in the pit of the stomach.










Here is one frame later when the ref apparently moves in to warn about low blows.

One more. Check out the angle of his elbow directly above and here:

You can tell by the angle of his elbow that the punch certainly didn't hit the pit of his stomach. I think it's AT BEST at the waistline, but to me it looks low. Whether Sharkey's trunks were up high as some have questioned is another matter, but appears it would have been a hit that traveled below the line of his trunks.

[billeau2]

One thing is for sure, something obviously affected Sharkey and he turned immediately to complain to the ref.

That's what left him open to the left hook.

Reminds me a bit of the Mayweather Ortiz fight. Cracked me up, it was cringy but Ortiz, what a dope!

[HOUDINI563]

The first two body blows were extremely similar to the last. One after the other in rapid succession. Three short right uppercuts. You can see the first two and neither was low. None of the three body blows hit Sharkeys thigh.

[travestyny]

The first two body blows were extremely similar to the last. One after the other in rapid succession. Three short right uppercuts. You can see the first two and neither was low. None of the three body blows hit Sharkeys thigh.

I'm personally not saying he hit his thigh. I'm only saying the ref apparently told a reporter that. I think the shot was low. I think what the ref is trying to say (at least in that particular quotation) is that the shot was to the right of Dempsey's junk, thus in the upper left thigh. That's why he didn't think it was so significant.

[Willie Pep 229]

Sharkey didn't get hit in the balls. When you take it in the yarballs your instinct is to go to you knees and start sucking air. Anyone who has played sports has taken one the balls and everyone reacts just the same. Sharkey was a ***** who was looking for a free ride; a performance which at the time was a common problem and needed to be corrected by a foul rule in 1931.

There were no kidney belts allowed until the 1931 rule change and Dempaey who always threw low blows, knew how to measure the punch to insure he would challenge his opponent's character without getting disqualified.

No one who takes it in the balls whines or moans or verbally complains to the ref because you can't because you can't breath.

It is ironic that Schmeling would pull off the same bulls hit performance and steal the title against Sharkey.

I am not sure what happened after this fight but it was Sailor Tom Sharkey (against Fitzsimmons) who had to suffer the indication of having his balls publically inspected by a team of doctors and news men so that the bets could be settled.

Did Jack Sharkey have his checked out in front of witnesses as well or was it some private inspection by a doctor after the event. Because if the news guys weren't there I think it is suspect

I think Sharkey was flopping; if Dempsey hit him low it wasn't hard enough to end the fight, Dempsey was very good at hitting low and (as far as I know) was nver DQed. Sharkey should have protected "himself at all times."

[Willie Pep 229]

And who said that Sharkey returning to his corner on shaky legs is proof that he was hit low?

That makes no sense - after the questionable punch he stood there and complained to the ref showimg no sign if osin and then he eats the left hook, and then he suddenly is in major pain below the waist.

You're buying the bulls hit!