New film of Dempsey Sharkey bout

[travestyny]

Sharkey was a ***** who was looking for a free ride;

Well damn. Tell us how you really feel


Also, there are examples of guys being hit low and taking a second before going down. Trinidad/Vargas round 4 is a good example that looks similar to this. Check out 27:23. Looks pretty similar to me. Add a Dempsey blow to the head while his head is in the air and....voila.

[travestyny]

And who said that Sharkey returning to his corner on shaky legs is proof that he was hit low?

That makes no sense - after the questionable punch he stood there and complained to the ref showimg no sign if osin and then he eats the left hook, and then he suddenly is in major pain below the waist.

You're buying the bulls hit!

He didn't return to his corner on shaky legs. His legs weren't functioning at all They literally carried him to the corner like Eddie Murphy was carried when pretending to be a legless man in Trading Places

[Willie Pep 229]

He didn't return to his corner on shaky legs. His legs weren't functioning at all They literally carried him to the corner like Eddie Murphy was carried when pretending to be a legless man in Trading Places

Then it certainly couldn't have been the 'low blow' that took his legs away because he stood there talking to the ref until the left landed.

The questionable punch didn't end the fight the left did; the questionable punch couldn't have been that hard, he was not wearing a protective belt and all he did was winch and complain.

He was ****** for taking his eyes off Dempsey and it cost him a shot at Tunney that's all that happened. Whoever posted the remark that the news writers were looking for something/an excuse to write about makes an interesting point.

P.S. How come he didn't get Tunney's first (only) defense? His performance against Dempsey was superb (until got got ******); I saw the score cards someone posted and I don't agree; he was in my opinion controlling the fight, Dempsey was trying to come on but at that point I would have had him up on the cards. He should have gotten the Tunney fight.

[travestyny]

Then it certainly couldn't have been the 'low blow' that took his legs away because he stood there talking to the ref until the left landed.

The questionable punch didn't end the fight the left did; the questionable punch couldn't have been that hard, he was not wearing a protective belt and all he did was winch and complain.

He was ****** for taking his eyes off Dempsey and it cost him a shot at Tunney that's all that happened. Whoever posted the remark that the news writers were looking for something/an excuse to write about makes an interesting point.

P.S. How come he didn't get Tunney's first (only) defense? His performance against Dempsey was superb (until got got ******); I saw the score cards someone posted and I don't agree; he was in my opinion controlling the fight, Dempsey was trying to come on but at that point I would have had him up on the cards. He should have gotten the Tunney fight.

Well it's not like he had a long conversation over tea with the ref. lol. He winced and turned to look at the ref and was popped. Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing that it was the low blow that ended the fight. I don't know how much it affected him. It certainly distracted him enough to drop his guard and be blasted out. I agree it was ****** to drop his guard, but I guess he thought the ref would move in to disqualify Dempsey for the low blow. Like you said: protect yourself at all times.

What I found also interesting about your other post is you seem to be saying Dempsey wasn't against a little...tap to the balls, hammer to the head action. That can't be legal, but a nice strategy if you can get away with it. lol

I also thought he would get the crack at Tunney but I guess it wasn't to be. Heeney had a points win over Risko, draw with Sharkey, and points win over Delaney in his last three before Tunney. Sharkey had the draw with Heeney, split decision loss to Risko, and a KO1 over Delaney before the Tunney fight was to take place. I guess Heeney for whatever reason also had Dempsey in his corner for the Tunney fight.

[HOUDINI563]

Here is the ref describing the right hand to Sharkeys thigh which was followed by a left to the solar plexus. Thus as I stated from the very beginning this blow was prior to the three right uppercuts to the body and left hook to the jaw that ended the bout. The ref never wavered in his initial statement that those three right uppercuts to Sharkeys body were NOT low.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...e=range&page=1

[travestyny]

Here is the ref describing the right hand to Sharkeys thigh which was followed by a left to the solar plexus. Thus as I stated from the very beginning this blow was prior to the three right uppercuts to the body and left hook to the jaw that ended the bout. The ref never wavered in his initial statement that those three right uppercuts to Sharkeys body were NOT low.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...e=range&page=1

Wait, hold up. This is the exact punch that I'm talking about! The referee here clearly says that the right was a glancing blow that started on the thigh and traveled up. Then he claims the next punch was A LEFT TO THE SOLAR PLEXUS, THEN THE KNOCKOUT PUNCH.

He is clearly saying that the last of the body punches was the punch to the thigh, which is when he walked in to warn about low blows. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING. Look at the article! This makes it clear that he was talking about the final body punch!

[travestyny]

Look at the article, Houdini. One low right, then TWO LEFTS, the last of which ends it. It makes it clear that the final right was the punch to the thigh, according to him.

I also should have added the next line in the article that makes it even more clear. He says:

"I do not regard the blow Sharkey received on the leg as sufficient cause for disqualification."

You have it wrong. The right to the leg couldn't have been before the three right uppercuts because as he describes it, the last three punches of the bout were a right to the leg, a left to the solar plexus, and the left knockout blow!

[Willie Pep 229]

Look at the article, Houdini. One low right, then TWO LEFTS, the last of which ends it. It makes it clear that the final right was the punch to the thigh, according to him.

I also should have added the next line in the article that makes it even more clear. He says:

"I do not regard the blow Sharkey received on the leg as sufficient cause for disqualification."

You have it wrong. The right to the leg couldn't have been before the three right uppercuts because as he describes it, the last three punches of the bout were a right to the leg, a left to the solar plexus, and the left knockout blow!

Re the article: two things. . .

Dempsey cracked some woman in Philly?

I want to know more about that. Did he have to shove some crazy b itch off him or what? If it is a true assault charge then why wouldn't she use diversity jurisdiction and get Dempsey served in federal court. I wonder if a judge threw out the charge. I can't see how he could have assaulted a female "spectator" - very odd statement to me. I know Dempsey was literally running from Kearns who was constantly trying to get Dempsey served with suits and get his licenses revoked.

Second, the day before the fight officials seemed as much concerned about Sharkey faking a low blow as they did that Dempsey would throw one. LOL

I think Sharkey was a game player. I would love to see the Sharkey-Wills go, where Wills got DQed and see if Wills was as dirty as he was purported to be or if Sharkey is a drama queen? (Wills, like Dempsey liked to get a little dirty so who knows?)

Tunney made a very big deal that Dempsey might try to foul him in both his fights. He complained not only about the neutral corner but about the low blows as well. (Dempsey's last fight before Tunney was Firpo; you can see were Tunney with his masterful technique would not want the boxing to degrade into a Firpo like brawl.)

When he became champion he forced Dave Barry on to Dempsey and Dempsey tried hard to get Barry pulled but couldn't. Of course we know how that worked out.

The long count may have been the result of bad karma for Dempsey; the remark I made about Dempsey testing his opponents' toughness with a couple of measured punches low I read in a Dempsey interview.

Dempsey had a kind of 'Ah shucks' attitude about it -- as I said they weren't wearing belts and the low blows had to be measured so as not to get yourself DQed.

What about Lou Duva instructing Taylor to deliberately hit Chavez on the belt so as to knock off his timing? Fighters use low blows in different manners to gain advantages.

It's a prize fight not the Olympics.

[travestyny]

Re the article: two things. . .

Dempsey cracked some woman in Philly?

I want to know more about that. Did he have to shove some crazy b itch off him or what? If it is a true assault charge then why wouldn't she use diversity jurisdiction and get Dempsey served in federal court. I wonder if a judge threw out the charge. I can't see how he could have assaulted a female "spectator" - very odd statement to me. I know Dempsey was literally running from Kearns who was constantly trying to get Dempsey served with suits and get his licenses revoked.

Second, the day before the fight officials seemed as much concerned about Sharkey faking a low blow as they did that Dempsey would throw one. LOL

I think Sharkey was a game player. I would love to see the Sharkey-Wills go, where Wills got DQed and see if Wills was as dirty as he was purported to be or if Sharkey is a drama queen? (Wills, like Dempsey liked to get a little dirty so who knows?)

Tunney made a very big deal that Dempsey might try to foul him in both his fights. He complained not only about the neutral corner but about the low blows as well. (Dempsey's last fight before Tunney was Firpo; you can see were Tunney with his masterful technique would not want the boxing to degrade into a Firpo like brawl.)

When he became champion he forced Dave Barry on to Dempsey and Dempsey tried hard to get Barry pulled but couldn't. Of course we know how that worked out.

The long count may have been the result of bad karma for Dempsey; the remark I made about Dempsey testing his opponents' toughness with a couple of measured punches low I read in a Dempsey interview.

Dempsey had a kind of 'Ah shucks' attitude about it -- as I said they weren't wearing belts and the low blows had to be measured so as not to get yourself DQed.

What about Lou Duva instructing Taylor to deliberately hit Chavez on the belt so as to knock off his timing? Fighters use low blows in different manners to gain advantages.

It's a prize fight not the Olympics.

Yea, that's an interesting one regarding the spectator. Who knows what happened here. Probably some chick that wanted a hug...? lol


It seems that the focus back then was on if the low blow itself was worthy of disqualification. I never regarded that as the paramount issue. I would have thought the focus should be on if the low blow put Dempsey in a position to deliver the knockout blow. But my thoughts are a product of modern day boxing. I think if a similar situation happened today, there wouldn't be a choice but to disqualify Dempsey. Obviously from the ref's point of view back then, he approached the idea of disqualification from an individual punch standpoint, as opposed to how it connected to the end of the fight. The low blow itself, according to him, wasn't so bad, so no harm, no foul, regardless of how it being landed affected Sharkey (I agree, protect yourself at all times, but you can't follow up a low blow with a knockout punch, right?). It also seems from the article that the ref claims it was the (phantom) left to the solar plexus that caused Sharkey to drop his guard. He says in the article that it was a left to the solar plexus that started the finish. I didn't see a left to the solar plexus...no idea what the ref was on. lol

What I would expect nowadays is that if, as the ref acknowledges, there was a low blow (even if he doesn't believe it was significant) and one fighter looks over to complain, there should be a firm STOP as the ref steps in. Refereeing has certainly advanced since those days.

[Willie Pep 229]

Yea, that's an interesting one regarding the spectator. Who knows what happened here. Probably some chick that wanted a hug...? lol


It seems that the focus back then was on if the low blow itself was worthy of disqualification. I never regarded that as the paramount issue. I would have thought the focus should be on if the low blow put Dempsey in a position to deliver the knockout blow. But my thoughts are a product of modern day boxing. I think if a similar situation happened today, there wouldn't be a choice but to disqualify Dempsey. Obviously from the ref's point of view back then, he approached the idea of disqualification from an individual punch standpoint, as opposed to how it connected to the end of the fight. The low blow itself, according to him, wasn't so bad, so no harm, no foul, regardless of how it being landed affected Sharkey (I agree, protect yourself at all times, but you can't follow up a low blow with a knockout punch, right?). It also seems from the article that the ref claims it was the (phantom) left to the solar plexus that caused Sharkey to drop his guard. He says in the article that it was a left to the solar plexus that started the finish. I didn't see a left to the solar plexus...no idea what the ref was on. lol

What I would expect nowadays is that if, as the ref acknowledges, there was a low blow (even if he doesn't believe it was significant) and one fighter looks over to complain, there should be a firm STOP as the ref steps in. Refereeing has certainly advanced since those days.

I agree with all you said - except the part about a ref calling fouls today - didn't Money" (it was a recent great fighter but I can't remember who) nail some Latino fighter with a sucker punch when the guy looked away to complain to the ref. ( Maybe it was Jones) either way that happened in the last 20 years and there were no complaints.

Can't envision what you mean by a "firm STOP" that sounds unrealistic and is begging to create DQs.