Joe Frazier vs Joe Louis

[Dr. Z]

What proof do you have most of the guys Louis beat wouldn't be ranked today? Have you every seen a more technically gifted fighters than Louis? Heavyweights wear 10oz gloves today.

Where? Well, USA heavyweights are seldom raked at heavyweight today and the batch from 1955-2000 at heavyweight were better than the guys Louis fought. Don't you agree?

Still hiding behind the unprovable, you are cowboy.

You might find this link interesting.

https://blog.ringside.com/boxing-glove-weight-size/

[JAB5239]

Where? Well, USA heavyweights are seldom raked at heavyweight today and the batch from 1955-2000 at heavyweight were better than the guys Louis fought. Don't you agree?

Still hiding behind the unprovable, you are cowboy.

You might find this link interesting.

https://blog.ringside.com/boxing-glove-weight-size/

So you have no proof that any contenders from Louis era wouldn't be contenders today? That's what I thought. And you obviously didn't read your own link. "In professional fights, all competitors up to welterweight will use an 8 oz glove. Everyone in higher weight clases should use the 10 oz glove."

You really just like to talk to hear yourself, don't you? It is your opinion no contenders from that era would be contenders today. It's a FACT that professional heavyweight fighters wear 10oz gloves. How are you coming with those excuses for Vits not seeking a rematch with Byrd?

[Ascended]

So you have no proof that any contenders from Louis era wouldn't be contenders today? That's what I thought. And you obviously didn't read your own link. "In professional fights, all competitors up to welterweight will use an 8 oz glove. Everyone in higher weight clases should use the 10 oz glove."

You really just like to talk to hear yourself, don't you? It is your opinion no contenders from that era would be contenders today. It's a FACT that professional heavyweight fighters wear 10oz gloves. How are you coming with those excuses for Vits not seeking a rematch with Byrd?

Name the midcarders or big names who fought with the exact obsolete flaws/ they had in the louis era all of them had those flaws in every class name the guys with those exact flaws in 70s-90s

Oh, that's that's
right. That never happened, so when nobody did, then why would they now see how it doesn't make any sense, you slow crazy idiot, because those styles were full of obsolete tech and flaws exposed


Every style from 30s-50s advanced alot in the years I named you have no video proof to go over mine

WHOLE 30s-40s looks trash compared to 70s-90s

[JAB5239]

Name the midcarders or big names who fought with the exact obsolete flaws/ they had in the louis era all of them had those flaws in every class name the guys with those exact flaws in 70s-90s

Oh, that's that's
right. That never happened, so when nobody did, then why would they now see how it doesn't make any sense, you slow crazy idiot, because those styles were full of obsolete tech and flaws exposed


Every style from 30s-50s advanced alot in the years I named you have no video proof to go over mine

WHOLE 30s-40s looks trash compared to 70s-90s

There is plenty of proof. Why don't heavyweights today hook off the jab, feint or use head movement like they did in the past? All integral parts of boxing. While you're at it please explain the so called advances in lateral movement. This should be rich!!

[BattlingNelson]

There is plenty of proof. Why don't heavyweights today hook off the jab, feint or use head movement like they did in the past? All integral parts of boxing. While you're at it please explain the so called advances in lateral movement. This should be rich!!

Why do you feed him?

[JAB5239]

Why do you feed him?

I know I shouldn't, but I'm just waiting for him to hang himself with his own rope. How is still here is beyond me.

[QueensburyRules]

Boyyyyy,what a great fight this would be no matter how long it lasted.

Your thoughts and comments?

- - Joe was never seriously hurt save their 3rd fight where they were busting each other long past their primes.

1st fight Frazier was the best and pounded Ali relentlessly, esp to the body, yet still took a lot of shots. Looking at the way Big George dismantled him, got to think Louis could do the same with more accuracy.

Both Joes were something of slow starters at times, so that would be the Wild Card if one started slow and the other started fast, but best to best, it's Louis hands down in a thrilling fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

Why do you feed him?

"Why do people go to the zoo?" H.L. Mencken

[Ascended]

There is plenty of proof. Why don't heavyweights today hook off the jab, feint or use head movement like they did in the past? All integral parts of boxing. While you're at it please explain the so called advances in lateral movement. This should be rich!!

Name the fighters who made mid card/top with the exact flaws they used in the 30s-50s in 70s-90s you said it was plenty so go ahead, I Don't explain anymore only videos you're the one who needs to debunk Me not the only way around

[JAB5239]

Name the fighters I Don't explain anymore only videos

Of course you're not going to answer, because it completely undermines you whole ridiculous argument. Especially the ludicrous assertion that lateral movement has somehow evolved. It's impossible to name fighters with the exact flaws you have named because not every fighter shows those exact same flaws in ANY era. But the fact is that fighters had and will continue to have flaws in all era's. Joe Louis is about nearly as perfect fighting man you will ever see. But even he had flaws. There is no such thing as a perfect fighter. Chew on that a bit.