Does anyone on here think Muhhamad Ali is overrated?

[NakiFan]

Henry cooper was a journeyman, and alli stopped him on cuts.

[Dynamite Kid]

Henry cooper was a journeyman, and alli stopped him on cuts.

He was a guy he took too lightly.

Im sure you can understand where im coming from with the above comment being that your a Lewis fan.

As for Chuck Wepner, he nearly went the distance with Ali? all that proves is that Ali was not a power puncher, he hit Wepner with literally everything!!!! and Wepner walked through most of it. Does not make it a poor win because it took him longer, he just was not a big hitter.

[TheGreatA]

He was a guy he took too lightly.

Im sure you can understand where im coming from with the above comment being that your a Lewis fan.

As for Chuck Wepner, he nearly went the distance with Ali? all that proves is that Ali was not a power puncher, he hit Wepner with literally everything!!!! and Wepner walked through most of it. Does not make it a poor win because it took him longer, he just was not a big hitter.

To be fair to Ali, Wepner had an amazing chin. I'm actually impressed that Ali did stop him, and not on cuts, although it was mostly due to Wepner being tired and having taken an accumulation of punishment. I believe that was the first time Wepner was stopped on a TKO not related on cuts.

Cooper was not really a journeyman. He would have been more suited into the LHW division in my opinion but his power made him a threat even at heavyweight.

[Obama]

By all rights Clay may not have deserved to beat Cooper the first time. Angelo cheated for him. Can't even be sure Angelo did it without Ali asking him. Ali did after all ask for his gloves to be cut off in the 3rd Frazier fight. Yes I realize the forms of cutting are different, but maybe Ali wanted to quit in the Cooper fight too and Angelo compromised to make it look like a glove malfunction in order to buy the kid enough time to change his mind.

[Slimey Limey]

By all rights Clay may not have deserved to beat Cooper the first time. Angelo cheated for him. Can't even be sure Angelo did it without Ali asking him. Ali did after all ask for his gloves to be cut off in the 3rd Frazier fight. Yes I realize the forms of cutting are different, but maybe Ali wanted to quit in the Cooper fight too and Angelo compromised to make it look like a glove malfunction in order to buy the kid enough time to change his mind.

Ali never wanted to quit, and was not a quitter, and never actually quit. That's all a bunch of nonsense from his dislikers. You have a lot of nerve making these claims while you sport an avatar with a cowardly quitter like that.

[Benncollinsaad]

Ali was overated. That's been my opinion for some time now. Especially in the 70's. He did beat Foreman in Zaire and Frazier in Manila, but that's it. He lost a lot of fights that he got by crooked decisions. The third Norton fight and the Jimmy Young fight in particular. And I think the decision in the Shavers fight also was kinda disputed.

[Obama]

Ali never wanted to quit, and was not a quitter, and never actually quit. That's all a bunch of nonsense from his dislikers. You have a lot of nerve making these claims while you sport an avatar with a cowardly quitter like that.

Wait, Robinson is a cowardly quitter for fainting in the Maxim fight?

As for Ali, the people who were around his corner claim he was going to quit in the third Frazier fight. I'm inclined to believe them.

[1SILVA]

By all rights Clay may not have deserved to beat Cooper the first time. Angelo cheated for him. Can't even be sure Angelo did it without Ali asking him. Ali did after all ask for his gloves to be cut off in the 3rd Frazier fight. Yes I realize the forms of cutting are different, but maybe Ali wanted to quit in the Cooper fight too and Angelo compromised to make it look like a glove malfunction in order to buy the kid enough time to change his mind.

Ali asked Dundee to cut his gloves off after Liston blinded him with an illegal substance in their first fight. I believe that was more out of paranoia than fear, as he was easily winning the fight up until that point.

[1SILVA]

Ali was overated. That's been my opinion for some time now. Especially in the 70's. He did beat Foreman in Zaire and Frazier in Manila, but that's it. He lost a lot of fights that he got by crooked decisions. The third Norton fight and the Jimmy Young fight in particular. And I think the decision in the Shavers fight also was kinda disputed.

NBC was giving the actual official scoring of the judges during their broadcast. Ali had someone in the dressing room watching the fight and relayed the scores to Dundee. After 12 rounds, Ali knew he had the fight as long as he stayed on his feet. Even so, he almost knocked Shavers out in the 15th round.

[1SILVA]

Wait, Robinson is a cowardly quitter for fainting in the Maxim fight?

As for Ali, the people who were around his corner claim he was going to quit in the third Frazier fight. I'm inclined to believe them.

You are right about Robinson. It was the 100 degree heat that ko'd him, as he was pitching a near shutout at the time. It also ko'd the first referee of the fight