Does anyone on here think Muhhamad Ali is overrated?

[Dynamite Kid]

To be fair to Ali, Wepner had an amazing chin. I'm actually impressed that Ali did stop him, and not on cuts, although it was mostly due to Wepner being tired and having taken an accumulation of punishment. I believe that was the first time Wepner was stopped on a TKO not related on cuts.

Cooper was not really a journeyman. He would have been more suited into the LHW division in my opinion but his power made him a threat even at heavyweight.

So was i, because Wepner walked through a hail storm of punches throughout that fight. The only bad thing for Ali about that fight was the fact he got dropped with a body shot, but! i think his feet were too close and that he was caught more off balance than hurt, although he did not complain.

[TheGreatA]

So was i, because Wepner walked through a hail storm of punches throughout that fight. The only bad thing for Ali about that fight was the fact he got dropped with a body shot, but! i think his feet were too close and that he was caught more off balance than hurt, although he did not complain.

Wepner actually stepped on Ali's feet while throwing the punch. He learned this trick from Sonny Liston who did the same thing to him in their fight, scoring a knockdown.

[right_hand_lead]

So was i, because Wepner walked through a hail storm of punches throughout that fight. The only bad thing for Ali about that fight was the fact he got dropped with a body shot, but! i think his feet were too close and that he was caught more off balance than hurt, although he did not complain.

Not taking anything away from Wepner, but everyone knew that knockdown was BS. He was already falling down before the punch even landed. Not sure why Ali didn't protest more.

It was awesome how he laid it on after that though.

[princemanspoper]

By all rights Clay may not have deserved to beat Cooper the first time. Angelo cheated for him. Can't even be sure Angelo did it without Ali asking him. Ali did after all ask for his gloves to be cut off in the 3rd Frazier fight. Yes I realize the forms of cutting are different, but maybe Ali wanted to quit in the Cooper fight too and Angelo compromised to make it look like a glove malfunction in order to buy the kid enough time to change his mind.

Ugh,Dunce say,what should we do? The cut glove story is an overblown myth debunked by british boxing journalism and virtually every other source that concerns the fight itself.As for the ali asking for his gloves to be cut it is also pure speculation,Fraziers pitying corner are not a source.

I've said it time and time again,There is more evidence to suggest frazier quit in the third fight than it Ali did.As for quitting I do recall your false hero quitting in the maxim fight despite clearly winning,Not much speculation there,He quit in his corner.I wonder how highly the p4p rankings judge heart?

But of course myths,lies and half truth bull**** stories obviously fit your criteria on understanding boxing history doesn't it Dunce?

[Dynamite Kid]

Wepner actually stepped on Ali's feet while throwing the punch. He learned this trick from Sonny Liston who did the same thing to him in their fight, scoring a knockdown.

Not taking anything away from Wepner, but everyone knew that knockdown was BS. He was already falling down before the punch even landed. Not sure why Ali didn't protest more.

It was awesome how he laid it on after that though.

I never knew that Machine.

They did not show that in the replay, i was trying to workout what actually happened in the replay but it was not very conclusive, i did notice how close together his feet were when he fell though. That pic clears up a lot.

Agree, when i watched it in real time i thought that KD looked iffy and then when i saw the replay i thought to myself why didn't Ali complain.

[Slimey Limey]

Wait, Robinson is a cowardly quitter for fainting in the Maxim fight?

As for Ali, the people who were around his corner claim he was going to quit in the third Frazier fight. I'm inclined to believe them.

Maxim was in the ring as well and he did not QUIT. You can try to make every kind of excuse you want, I've gone over this many time. The fact is he QUIT and Ali never did.

And Angelo Dundee will be the first one to tell you Ali was not going to quit in the 15th round. You're talking a lot of crap mate, because you're jealous that ALI is known as the greatest and not your lad Salty GAY Robinson.

[princemanspoper]

Maxim was in the ring as well and he did not QUIT. You can try to make every kind of excuse you want, I've gone over this many time. The fact is he QUIT and Ali never did.

And Angelo Dundee will be the first one to tell you Ali was not going to quit in the 15th round. You're talking a lot of crap mate, because you're jealous that ALI is known as the greatest and not your lad Salty GAY Robinson.

Don't worry,It's just an attempt by robinson nuthuggers to try and discredit Joey Maxim's heart and courage.Something robinson failed to show when he needed it most.

Ali asked Dundee to cut his gloves off after Liston blinded him with an illegal substance in their first fight.

There's not actual proof liston and his camp intentionally blinded ali.No matter what Burt Sugar says

[TheGreatA]

Maxim was in the ring as well and he did not QUIT. You can try to make every kind of excuse you want, I've gone over this many time. The fact is he QUIT and Ali never did.

And Angelo Dundee will be the first one to tell you Ali was not going to quit in the 15th round. You're talking a lot of crap mate, because you're jealous that ALI is known as the greatest and not your lad Salty GAY Robinson.

Angelo will also be the first to tell you that a young Cassius Clay wanted to quit after the fourth round against Liston but he convinced Ali to continue and try to survive the round.

I bet if Robinson was retired in his corner like Ali was against Holmes you'd be calling him a quitter too due to your bias, but Robinson fought in his mid 40's while a shadow of what he used to be and was never stopped.

I proved to you what his condition was against Maxim (doctors, boxing experts, ringside viewers, former fighters and officials all agreed that he was in no condition to fight on) but I see my arguments have fallen into deaf ears.

[Obama]

Ugh,Dunce say,what should we do? The cut glove story is an overblown myth debunked by british boxing journalism and virtually every other source that concerns the fight itself.As for the ali asking for his gloves to be cut it is also pure speculation,Fraziers pitying corner are not a source.

I've said it time and time again,There is more evidence to suggest frazier quit in the third fight than it Ali did.As for quitting I do recall your false hero quitting in the maxim fight despite clearly winning,Not much speculation there,He quit in his corner.I wonder how highly the p4p rankings judge heart?

But of course myths,lies and half truth bull**** stories obviously fit your criteria on understanding boxing history doesn't it Dunce?

It's a myth that Dundee openly admits? And he's admitted it on shows having nothing to do with HBO, so don't start.

I'm not going by Frazier's corner, I'm going by the people around Ali's corner.

As for the last bit,

Maxim was in the ring as well and he did not QUIT. You can try to make every kind of excuse you want, I've gone over this many time. The fact is he QUIT and Ali never did.

And Angelo Dundee will be the first one to tell you Ali was not going to quit in the 15th round. You're talking a lot of crap mate, because you're jealous that ALI is known as the greatest and not your lad Salty GAY Robinson.

[TheGreatA]

Don't worry,It's just an attempt by robinson nuthuggers to try and discredit Joey Maxim's heart and courage.Something robinson failed to show when he needed it most.

Oh sure, Robinson never showed courage in any fight. Robinson was suffering from serious dehydration and could have very well ended up being yet another Gerald McClellan, Michael Watson, Akeem Anifowoshe. I bet you would call them quitters too had they been retired in their corner as they should have been.