What Heavyweights In Your Mind Defeat A Prime Joe Louis (Past Or Present)?

[GJC]

No I'm bored with you now. You schooled me on this you know I said this and that zZzzzz. I ask you to produce proof but of course you can't because you are full of ****.

[Ascended]

The average amateur in 70s defeat him easy way more advanced dumb question

[Dr. Z]

Discuss.......................

Oh quite a few. Louis was ( 3-4 ) vs. Scheming, Walcott, Conn, Charles, and Marciano with fair judging on the 10 point must system in 15 round contests. And he 2-5 is the first Conn fight was 12 rounds vs. the same men. Think about it... Joe Louis really did not beat or fight the best back contenders of his time, nor did he fight any Eastern Europeans. He mostly fought a poor group of USA white guys who would not be rated today! He did not fight any southpaws either. He survived a close one in A. Godoy 1 , and he is no hall of fame guy! Watch and score the first bought for yourself.


Now someone will bring up the names Carnera, B Bear of Simon. Okay, they would not be as highly rated in the years 1990 -2024. Each man was merely big in his day, not fast or skilled, which was enough back then ( 1930-1950 ) in the heavyweight division featuring men from 168 to 205's lbs.

[Ivich]

Discuss.......................

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Oh quite a few. Louis was ( 3-4 ) vs. Scheming, Walcott, Conn, Charles, and Marciano with fair judging on the 10 point must system in 15 round contests. And he 2-5 is the first Conn fight was 12 rounds vs. the same men. Think about it... Joe Louis really did not beat or fight the best back contenders of his time, nor did he fight any Eastern Europeans. He mostly fought a poor group of USA white guys who would not be rated today! He did not fight any southpaws either. He survived a close one in Arto Godoy I, and he is no hall of fame guy! Watch and score the first bought for yourself.


Now someone will bring up the names Carnera, B Bear of Simon. Okay, they would not be as highly rated in the years 1990 -2024. Each man was merely big in his day, not fast or skilled, which was enough back then ( 1930-1950 ) in the heavyweight division featuring men from 168 to 205's lbs.

Why do you keep saying this? It is such an absurd statement.

[Dr. Z]

Why do you keep saying this? It is such an absurd statement.

Because that is how fights and score today ( 10 point must system ), expect the ref which IMO was very partial to Louis on the score cards is out as a judge

[Ivich]

Because that is how fights and score today ( 10 point must system ), expect the ref which IMO was very partial to Louis on the score cards is out as a judge

In the Godoy fight the referee Donovan gave Godoy 1 more round than the other judge that voted for Louis,which was dead in line with the press.

1940-02-09	203	202		Arturo Godoy	54 10 7		Madison Square Garden, New York	W-SD	15/15		event bout score wiki
ref: Arthur Donovan 10-5 George LeCron 10-4 Tommy Shortell 5-10 World Heavyweight Title "Louis won sloppily against a bruising, mauling and rushing fighter who knew no fear or retreat." The New York Times The only rounds in which the three agreed were the 3rd, 8th (both to Godoy) and the 14th (Louis). Lecron had it 10-4-1 in rounds for Louis. Godoy thought he was entitled to a draw but the New York Times reported the decision as "eminently fair" - its reporter giving it 10-5 to Louis, stating that other reporters had a similar result.

"Move along nothing to see here."

[Dr. Z]

In the Godoy fight the referee Donovan gave Godoy 1 more round than the other judge that voted for Louis,which was dead in line with the press.

1940-02-09	203	202		Arturo Godoy	54 10 7		Madison Square Garden, New York	W-SD	15/15		event bout score wiki
ref: Arthur Donovan 10-5 George LeCron 10-4 Tommy Shortell 5-10 World Heavyweight Title "Louis won sloppily against a bruising, mauling and rushing fighter who knew no fear or retreat." The New York Times The only rounds in which the three agreed were the 3rd, 8th (both to Godoy) and the 14th (Louis). Lecron had it 10-4-1 in rounds for Louis. Godoy thought he was entitled to a draw but the New York Times reported the decision as "eminently fair" - its reporter giving it 10-5 to Louis, stating that other reporters had a similar result.

"Move along nothing to see here."

Did you ever seen the fight and score it? Donovan was Louis personal ref and had some outrageous score cards in favor of Louis, such a 1 ) the Tommy Far fight where he gave Farr but one round and this one 10-5 which is horrible if you score the rounds.

Some believe Louis, who in my opinion and many others fought in a down era of boxing was a near perfect boxer. I'm not one of those who thinks that way because I have seen his films vs. men who in many cases were giving up height, and reach to him. Yet they had no issues landing on him. With the superior firepower power in all cases, if Louis was this master boxer type ( Offense and defense ) he should have dominated on the scorecards. Yet he was often floored or behind.

Let's add up the rounds were given to Louis vs the best four boxers he fought. To use a qualifier, I'll average out score cards given, and not penalize Louis for knockdowns in the round because back then there were no 10-8 rounds. In the case of Schmeling vs. Louis 1, I could not find score cards so let's say I'll be very generous and give Louis 4 rounds of the 12.

The best four boxers Louis fought in my opinion were:

Schmeling
Walcott
Conn
Charles


1. Schmeling-Louis and Schmeling fought a combined 13 rounds. Louis won but 5 of 13 rounds, and I'm being generous to Louis. Schmeling was thought to be passed his best for the first fight, meanwhile Louis was coming off his best career filmed performance vs Max. Baer

2. Walcott vs Louis. Both men were the same age in both fights. 26 rounds fought, and an average of 12 of them went to Louis. The first fight was rather controversial and the second one in my opinion had Walcott well out in the lead. But I'm using the judges official cards since we have them.

3. Conn vs Louis. 21 rounds were fought. Conn looked terrible in the rematch and retired the same year, but hey that's part of it as Schmeling was thought to be passed his best in the first Louis fight. The score cards awarded 10 of 21 rounds to Louis on average

4. Charles. This time, it was Louis on the decline. 15 rounds were fought Charles stood right in front of Louis, who was on big time winning streak and still had his jab and power and whipped Louis badly. Louis won three rounds on average and, to be honest, that seems a little high.

Summary. Louis won just 30 of 75 rounds fought. This is just 40% of the rounds fought.

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[Ivich]

Did you ever seen the fight and score it? Donovan was Louis personal ref and had some outrageous score cards in favor of Louis, such a 1 ) the Tommy Far fight where he gave Farr but one round and this one 10-5 which is horrible if you score the rounds.

Some believe Louis, who in my opinion and many others fought in a down era of boxing was a near perfect boxer. I'm not one of those who thinks that way because I have seen his films vs. men who in many cases were giving up height, and reach to him. Yet they had no issues landing on him. With the superior firepower power in all cases, if Louis was this master boxer type ( Offense and defense ) he should have dominated on the scorecards. Yet he was often floored or behind.

Let's add up the rounds were given to Louis vs the best four boxers he fought. To use a qualifier, I'll average out score cards given, and not penalize Louis for knockdowns in the round because back then there were no 10-8 rounds. In the case of Schmeling vs. Louis 1, I could not find score cards so let's say I'll be very generous and give Louis 4 rounds of the 12.

The best four boxers Louis fought in my opinion were:

Schmeling
Walcott
Conn
Charles


1. Schmeling-Louis and Schmeling fought a combined 13 rounds. Louis won but 5 of 13 rounds, and I'm being generous to Louis. Schmeling was thought to be passed his best for the first fight, meanwhile Louis was coming off his best career filmed performance vs Max. Baer

2. Walcott vs Louis. Both men were the same age in both fights. 26 rounds fought, and an average of 12 of them went to Louis. The first fight was rather controversial and the second one in my opinion had Walcott well out in the lead. But I'm using the judges official cards since we have them.

3. Conn vs Louis. 21 rounds were fought. Conn looked terrible in the rematch and retired the same year, but hey that's part of it as Schmeling was thought to be passed his best in the first Louis fight. The score cards awarded 10 of 21 rounds to Louis on average

4. Charles. This time, it was Louis on the decline. 15 rounds were fought Charles stood right in front of Louis, who was on big time winning streak and still had his jab and power and whipped Louis badly. Louis won three rounds on average and, to be honest, that seems a little high.

Summary. Louis won just 30 of 75 rounds fought. This is just 40% of the rounds fought.

Ive read all your claptrap many times,including you awarding the first Walcott fight to Wwalcott even though you haven't seen more than highlights of it!
You have stated many times,Louis had his own "personal referee",that that man was crooked,that other judges were crooked and biased towards Louis,that Louis was mob connected etc,that he didnt fight any Eastern European challengers , when I asked which ones he should have fought you didn't reply .
Louis after 2 years retirement still had his power against Charles ? BS ! Big time winning streak? Louis hadn't fought for 2 years!

I don't need to read anymore of your **** .Louis is just another of your hate targets like,Johnson, Lennox, and Ali.
Puerile,predictable, pathetic,and definitely passe !