What Heavyweights In Your Mind Defeat A Prime Joe Louis (Past Or Present)?

[Dr. Z]

Ive read all your claptrap many times,including you awarding the first Walcott fight to Wwalcott even though you haven't seen more than highlights of it!
You have stated many times,Louis had his own "personal referee",that that man was crooked,that other judges were crooked and biased towards Louis,that Louis was mob connected etc,that he didnt fight any Eastern European challengers , when I asked which ones he should have fought you didn't reply .
Louis after 2 years retirement still had his power against Charles ? BS ! Big time winning streak? Louis hadn't fought for 2 years!

I don't need to read anymore of your **** .Louis is just another of your hate targets like,Johnson, Lennox, and Ali.
Puerile,predictable, pathetic,and definitely passe !

WRONG. I have seen more than the highlights of Walcott vs. Louis. Try several rounds, bud. There is no way Louis who was floored twice won that match on the 10 point must system nor did he win the match on the shown video. Donovan produced some &#^t cars in favor of Louis as I have shown you before. Louis did not fight any southpaws ( one was highly ranked ( seemingly ducked a few men using the color line ) Unless you believe that only 2 men of his 26 title opponents deserve a shot who were black ). Well, do you??? You never answered that question. And he did not fight any Eastern Europeans. I can provide a name. Try me. But keep in mind he was not allowed to go pro. If this were track & field Joe Louis is champion if races 100 meter races vs. Uk white men and USA White men in a down timeline for talent in the heavyweight division.

Try reading what I say and replying to what I say if you " think " It is not true.

And yes one of Louis manager was mob connected. Let me guess you have never head of the ******** problem in boxing in the 1930's and 1940's.

Check how many fight Louis won in a row before he fight Charles. You might count to ten.

[Ivich]

WRONG. I have seen more than the highlights of Walcott vs. Louis. Try several rounds, bud. There is no way Louis who was floored twice won that match on the 10 point must system nor did he win the match on the shown video. Donovan produced some &#^t cars in favor of Louis as I have shown you before. Louis did not fight any southpaws ( one was highly ranked ( seemingly ducked a few men using the color line ) Unless you believe that only 2 men of his 26 title opponents deserve a shot who were black ). Well, do you??? You never answered that question. And he did not fight any Eastern Europeans. I can provide a name. Try me. But keep in mind he was not allowed to go pro. If this were track & field Joe Louis is champion if races 100 meter races vs. Uk white men and USA White men in a down timeline for talent in the heavyweight division.

Try reading what I say and replying to what I say if you " think " It is not true.

And yes one of Louis manager was mob connected. Let me guess you have never head of the ******** problem in boxing in the 1930's and 1940's.

Check how many fight Louis won in a row before he fight Charles. You might count to ten.

YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE COMPLETE LOUIS V WALCOTT FIRST FIGHT
I have 5 books on Louis, started buying his fight in the mid 60's , and have forgotten more about him than you have yet learned.
If you had read When The Mob Ruled Boxing ,Jacobs Beach,and Jim Norris and the Decline Of Boxing,as I have you, would know that;
The ******** problem in boxing was mainly in the 40's and 50's with the emergence of Frankie Carbo.Blinky Palermo and Jim Norris and the IBC which existed from1949 until 1958 .

Louis had been retired for 2 years when he came back and challenged Charles,you MORON!
I am not interested in debating with you because you are a lying POS.

I will correct you and point out your biased lies,that is the extent of the interaction I want with you.Dr Duck

[Willie Pep 229]

Because that is how fights and score today ( 10 point must system ), expect the ref which IMO was very partial to Louis on the score cards is out as a judge

You misunderstood me. I was replying to only the bold-face I created regarding Eastern European fighters.

I know you know that was an impossibility so why do you keep repeating a fact you know people ignorant of the fight game will extrapolate incorrectly?

In regards to the bad decision in Walcott-Louis I, if you read deeper into the event you might understand why the judges were in no mood to take Louis' title that night.

The NYSAC set Louis up moving what was suspose to be a four round exhibition to a ten round, 'with the title at stake only by KO' to a full 15 round title defense.

Louis was unprepared for the fight both physically and mentally because he didn't even know his title would be at stake and that he would have to go 15 rounds until three weeks before the fight.

When it was done, Louis did the right thing and gave Walcott an IMMEDIATE rematch.

To better understand what I am saying I suggest you look into the Johnny Davis fight back in 1944.

You will better understand the game the NYSAC was playing (screwing over) Louis with.

[Ivich]

You misunderstood me. I was replying to only the bold-face I created regarding Eastern European fighters.

I know you know that was an impossibility so why do you keep repeating a fact you know people ignorant of the fight game will extrapolate incorrectly?

In regards to the bad decision in Walcott-Louis I, if you read deeper into the event you might understand why the judges were in no mood to take Louis' title that night.

The NYSAC set Louis up moving what was suspose to be a four round exhibition to a ten round 'title at stake only by KO' to a full 15 round title defense.

Louis was unprepared for the fight both physically and mentality because he didn't even know his title would be at stake and that he would have to go 15 rounds until three weeks before the fight.

When it was done, Louis did the right thing and gave Walcott an IMMEDIATE rematch.

To better understand what I am saying I suggest you look into the Johnny Davis fight back in 1944.

You will better understand the game the NYSAC was playing (screwing over) Louis with.

Fine post,but you cannot educate pork.

[kara]

Fine post,but you cannot educate pork.

Dr. Z vs. Queen?

[Dr. Z]

YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE COMPLETE LOUIS V WALCOTT FIRST FIGHT
I have 5 books on Louis, started buying his fight in the mid 60's , and have forgotten more about him than you have yet learned.
If you had read When The Mob Ruled Boxing ,Jacobs Beach,and Jim Norris and the Decline Of Boxing,as I have you, would know that
The ******** problem in boxing was mainly in the 40's and 50's with the emergence of Frankie Carbo.Blinky Palermo and Jim Norris and the IBC which existed from1949 until 1958 .

Louis had been retired for 2 years when he came back and challenged Charles,you MORON!
I am not interested in debating with you because you are a lying POS.

I will correct you and point out your biased lies,that is the extent of the interaction I want with you.Dr Duck

I said I have seen many rounds of it , and Walcott was the better. Furthermore the crowd gave out loud boo when the official decision was announced. Louis' body language if you know anything about boxing shows he felt he was the loser. But we know such things like the truth clash with you agenda, otherwise you would say I am correct.


I will continue to expose your fake news on proven facts. I means nothing to me what you read you only take in what suits you opinion. In the 1930's several high level fights were fixes and Dq's too. You can look it up.


You say shout a man is a liar until you dying days. It means nothing but noise coming for a liar. Tell me Tony " Ivich " Mcvey, do you agree with me that Louis only fought two back men in his 26 listed title defense and used the color line? Please explain to why so many black contenders and in two cases HOF guys were not selected while many mediocre talent were given title shots?

Louis as I correctly stated did not fight any Southpaws nor did he fight any Eastern Europeans. And he fought few back me, but was beaten on the film by two men of color that he fought. Hmmm...

WRONG. I have seen more than the highlights of Walcott vs. Louis. Try several rounds, bud. There is no way Louis who was floored twice won that match on the 10 point must system nor did he win the match on the shown video. Donovan produced some &#^t cars in favor of Louis as I have shown you before. Louis did not fight any southpaws ( one was highly ranked ( seemingly ducked a few men using the color line ) Unless you believe that only 2 men of his 26 title opponents deserve a shot who were black ). Well, do you??? You never answered that question. And he did not fight any Eastern Europeans. I can provide a name. Try me. But keep in mind he was not allowed to go pro. If this were track & field Joe Louis is champion if races 100 meter races vs. Uk white men and USA White men in a down timeline for talent in the heavyweight division.

Try reading what I say and replying to what I say if you " think " It is not true.

And yes one of Louis manager was mob connected. Let me guess you have never head of the ******** problem in boxing in the 1930's and 1940's.

Check how many fight Louis won in a row before he fight Charles. You might count to ten.

[Dr. Z]

Dr. Z vs. Queen?

Forget it , Ivich said he was " pig sick "

[Ivich]

Forget it , Ivich said he was " pig sick "

I bet you are, after being exposed yet again,you bloody MORON! Louis wrote in his autobiography that he had no doubt he had beaten Walcott and what's more, he went on national TV and said so ,with Walcott sitting next to him.
Here you go ,you ****ing MUPPET!

Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott, I & II (youtube.com)

[Dr. Z]

I bet you are, after being exposed yet again,you bloody MORON! Louis wrote in his autobiography that he had no doubt he had beaten Walcott and what's more, he went on national TV and said so ,with Walcott sitting next to him.
Here you go ,you ****ing MUPPET!

Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott, I & II (youtube.com)

What a fighter says after a controversial fight to the media in hindsight where 2/3 of the boxing writers who watched the event scored it for Walcott means exactly nothing. It very rare when a fighter admits defeat in a fight he " won " to the media. Louis said I'm sorry to Walcott right after the fight!


Here is one review:

1. Both Joe's came out jabbing, Walcott showing far greater foot movement, and also showing good shoulder movement as well. Louis backed Walcott into a corner with a right hand (certainly not one of his best). Louis followed up with a two-fisted flurry, but Walcott fired back, and with greater effectiveness. It was Jersey Joe's final right hand at the end of his own flurry that dropped Louis backwards, on the palms of his hands. Of course, Louis was knocked down. Some might try to take something away from Walcott and say that Joe was off balance, but what followed proves just the opposite. Louis was hurt repeatedly throughout the rest of the round by vicious counter right hands. Once Joe nearly went down again. Walcott.
2-3. Walcott excelled at rolling, moving, and jabbing. Both for Walcott.
4. During an exchange, Louis walked right into another big counter right hand and went down for the second time, this time forwards, on the palms of his hands. Walcott.
5-6. Uneventful with Walcott taking the 5th and Louis taking the 6th.
7. Joe finally started an offensive, but just ended up getting counter-right handed to DEATH. Walcott.
8. Louis just can't figure Walcott. Walcott scores with good left jabs and counter rights. Walcott.
9. Quite a big of exchanging. Louis just eating right hands. The two slugged it out in a corner at the end of the round. This was one of Joe's best rounds. Even.
10. Not enough shown.
11. Louis hurt by another right hand. Walcott.
12. Walcott.
13. Not much occurs here. Walcott slips throwing a big right. I can't find my score for this round.
14. The two engage in one of the few big exchanges of the match. Walcott.
15. Walcott turned very defensive here, clearly in an effort to not get careless, since he knew he won the fight up to this point. Louis pursued but to no avail. Even while he ran away, Walcott was the better man.

Remember, most of not all of these rounds are incomplete, so I am scoring this off of what is out there.

Walcott won this fight!

Read this excellent article by a historian.

https://www.thefightcity.com/joe-lou...joe-walcott-i/

No charge for you.

[Willie Pep 229]

What a fighter says after a controversial fight to the media in hindsight where 2/3 of the boxing writers who watched the event scored it for Walcott means exactly nothing. It very rare when a fighter admits defeat in a fight he " won " to the media. Louis said I'm sorry to Walcott right after the fight!


Here is one review:



Read this excellent article by a historian.

https://www.thefightcity.com/joe-lou...joe-walcott-i/

No charge for you.

Not much of an article. The conventional historical wisdom. Any of us could have written that article off the top of our head.

Here's one for you: [My Conjecture]

Because of what I told you earlier about Louis being trapped into a 15 round decision fight when he was promised a 10 round 'no decision' fight, can we be sure Louis wasn't leaving the ring in protest?

I'm not saying he was. I am saying, no sports' writer knows what Louis was thinking, nor why he allowed himself to be talked out of leaving.

That 'historian' you fed us wasn't very impressive.