What Heavyweights In Your Mind Defeat A Prime Joe Louis (Past Or Present)?

[Slimey Limey]

Find me one post where I said that Louis was not prime against Schmelling others have but not me, I know you lump everyone who doesn't agree with you in the same box.
Very creative with your facts, the 15 fights you mention were over the previous 7 years no? A little thing called the 2nd world war got in the way Louis after the war was not the same fighter as he was before it.
Talking of admitting things you now say Louis would lose to everybody?

I don't need to find a post, you're all the same with the same attitude.

He was just 33 years old and did not show any signs of slipping before the 2 year lay off. He basicely KO'd 2 more lads before facing Walcott, not to mention he KO'd Walcott in a rematch. so all you lads are doing is discrediting Walcott and making excuses for bumbeater.

And yes he would lose to pretty much all the ATG HW's of the top 10. But you of cource being the dramatic **** that you are take that comment as a stab to the heart and are thinking I said Louis would lose to every single human being in the history of the planet who ever picked up a pair of gloves. Are you mad?

[GJC]

I don't need to find a post, you're all the same with the same attitude.

Couldn't eh, shame.

But you of cource being the dramatic **** that you are take that comment as a stab to the heart and are thinking I said Louis would lose to every single human being in the history of the planet who ever picked up a pair of gloves. Are you mad?

No I'm not mad but give you a tip I wouldn't show any of your posts to the men in the white coats if I was you. They will take your PC off you and give you a green crayon and we will all miss you on here.

[Benny Leonard]

I don't need to find a post, you're all the same with the same attitude.

He was just 33 years old and did not show any signs of slipping before the 2 year lay off. He basicely KO'd 2 more lads before facing Walcott, not to mention he KO'd Walcott in a rematch. so all you lads are doing is discrediting Walcott and making excuses for bumbeater.

And yes he would lose to pretty much all the ATG HW's of the top 10. But you of cource being the dramatic **** that you are take that comment as a stab to the heart and are thinking I said Louis would lose to every single human being in the history of the planet who ever picked up a pair of gloves. Are you mad?

Louis was past his prime when he fought Walcott. He knew it as well which is why he RETIRED after Walcott {II} if I'm not mistaken.
Louis wasn't the same exact fighter after the War. Even Billy Conn who Louis rematched wasn't the same.


If you can't see the difference in Louis from different years he fought, then you are hopeless.

[GJC]

Louis was past his prime when he fought Walcott. He knew it as well which is why he RETIRED after Walcott {II} if I'm not mistaken.
Louis wasn't the same exact fighter after the War. Even Billy Conn who Louis rematched wasn't the same.


If you can't see the difference in Louis from different years he fought, then you are hopeless.

You can't have a rational conversation with him Benny give up

[Benny Leonard]

Foreman And Liston Beat Prime Louis IMO

and Louis said Marciano would beat him in his prime Due to the srouching styel, he said the way Rocky fought was all wrong for him.
Maybe Tyson too.


ROOSTER

You mean "crouching" style?

One of the fights I've heard mentioned about why Marciano would trouble a Prime Joe Louis was his fight with Godoy. Godoy gave Louis fits even though Louis won the fight.

The other thing was that people say that Louis said he didn't like to be "crowded," but how many boxers like to be crowded?
And even if Louis didn't like to be crowded, it didn't mean he didn't know how to deal with it as you will see in the rematch with Godoy down below as well as other fights he had.


Here is the first Godoy fight where Godoy troubles Louis:

Also note that Godoy was bigger than Rocky...








Now I don't have the full fight of the rematch since it isn't up on Youtube but you can find it online for download if you google it. I just don't know how safe certain links are. Maybe I can ask around in the request section.

This is basically the sum of it:

Louis adapts





Rocky's best shot at defeating Louis would be in the first match.

[Benny Leonard]

You can't have a rational conversation with him Benny give up

I know but I like to do it for any other newbie posters that comes on board with the discussion or may be viewing it.

[Tyson Jr.]

As we saw the fight between Marciano and Louis
Even when some people say that Louis wasnt in his prime
the way Marciano knocked him out
I can actually say that Marciano can still knock Louis out even in his prime
..........
If Ali fought Louis in his prime
I'm not sure if Ali could defeat Louis
as Louis is ranked #1 in the ring magazine
as the greatest puncher of all times
and Ali's style his gloves are always down and he stays on the ropes
so i think that Louis would beat him
..........
Tyson vs Louis
Louis is a hard puncher
and so is Tyson
and we should consider that Tyson is a skilled and fast boxer too
and the power of his punch is also impressive
I think that Tyson would have a shot at defeating Louis
I think but im not sure
but
Tyson vs Louis
It would be a fight worth watching
..........
Foreman vs Louis
Ali knocked out Foreman
and i dont think that Ali would defeat Louis
so i think that Louis would defeat Foreman
..........
Lets not forget the fact that Max Schmeling knocked out Louis in his prime
.........
that's what i got
and its just my opinion
it doesnt have to be right
all you people dont have to agree with me
its just an opinion

peace

[Benny Leonard]

As we saw the fight between Marciano and Louis
Even when some people say that Louis wasnt in his prime
the way Marciano knocked him out
I can actually say that Marciano can still knock Louis out even in his prime
peace

The difference though is that Louis's reaction time was slowed as well as his spark for fighting. When you are past your prime, punch resistance can be down, reaction time can be down, adrenaline may not be pumping nearly as high which helps you absorb punches as well as react to the punches, and chin may be declined. I use "may" to allow for room in how much.

We've seen fighters go down and out when they are past their prime when in their younger years they may not have. It happens with age.

Besides youth being on your side in your "prime years," the "want" to fight prepares you to take those punches and keep going. The Mind is a powerful thing and if you don't want to be in there, don't want to get hurt, chances are, you will be hurt and taken out.

Prime is both Mental and Physical...two things you need working at a high level to be at your best and to be in your Prime.


I'm not saying Marciano doesn't have the power to do it but what I am saying is that it was a different Joe Louis in there both Mentally and Physically. He retired right after which would be the second time in his career.

[TheGreatA]

I would like see a 37 year old Rocky Marciano against a prime Sonny Liston.

[Kinetic Linking]

I like joe louis but boxing was really in the ****ter when he was fighting. After Gene Tunney's retirement heavyweight boxing really started to suck ass for some reason. Usually integration has an overwhelmingly positive effect on the level of competition in a sport, but there were other important factors. I'm not sure he wouldn't have gotten outmaneuvered by some old timers, outgunned by some of the recent heavyweights, and beaten by some of the obvious greats.

That said I might be totally wrong. Joe Louis was a great fighter.