A Prime Joe Louis vs Rocky Marcaino

[StarshipTrooper]

"Joe Couldn't handle Pressure fighters and didn't like to be crowded."

Well, how many boxers like to be crowded? Joe may not have liked to be crowded but he learned how to deal with it. Also note; Rocky said himself that he liked/needed to have "room" to get off his punches. Give Louis room and....

Here is a younger Louis who fought Godoy twice. Godoy applied heavy pressure to Louis. In the first match, Louis had trouble but still won. But in the second fight (and I wish they would show the full fight on youtube) he adapted. Marciano's best shot to beat Rocky is in the first match. Give a young Louis a second shot and your done. Louis's best was actually from when he won the title on. The loss to Max gave him reason to take every opponent serious. Post-WWII Louis was past prime and not so good.

First fight:



Now Joe adapts in the rematch:

Notice the difference between when Joe "boxes" and when Joe "fights." Same happened to Max.



And Louis's chin being "glass" is overrated. Count how many punches Max landed on Louis and how many rounds it took Max to knockout Joe. And how many times has Joe been KO'd in his long career? TWICE. Once against Max and the other when he was Shot and fought Marciano.


This is Joe Louis:






ALSO NOTE THAT LOUIS COMPENSATED FULL POWER FOR SHORT FAST PUNCHES IN COMBINATIONS THAT WOULD ACCUMALATE MORE THAN ONE BIG PUNCH. WHEN HE PULLED BACK WITH FULL FORCE, DELIVERING ONE BIG SHOT, HIS POWER WAS MUCH GREATER AND THAT IS WHEN YOU SEE OPPONENTS SPINNING AROUND.

Thank you.....for the post AND the vids.

Poet

[The Iron Man]

How the fook is it useless to compile a list of advantages both men have over each other?

I know you as a poster. Your lack of knowledge disables you every time from going into detail about the matchup. It's always a lame "--- win by stoppage. too strong or fast" whatever.

I say the comparison between them as punchers is very close. Marciano has some of the most brutal knockouts ever, and he had many of those. He was also accurate and every time he had a guy hurt he finished him. Just look at my avatar. The better puncher isn't going to decide the outcome of this match.

I simply believe this is bad styles match up for Louis. Rocky was always looking to make his fights an inside brawl, and this is not the way Louis flows in a fight. He doesn't have the space to get off and doesn't perform well under such pressure. This is why I mentioned size. he cannot get Rocky off him like a Foreman or Lewis could. He doesn't have a strength/size advantage like that so it's gonna be an inside brawl.

However, Louis was very good with SHORT punches. This is why I don't believe Rocky would completely dominate him. But he would catch up with Louis every time.

You simply need a great chin in ATG matchups. This is why I believe Louis would suffer badly against the greats.



Past prime yet still great fighters. Are you gonna discredit fighters who had wins over Ali, Tyson, Foreman etc because they were a bit past their best?

Louis has a terrible terrible record, simply laughable. No point in pickin bones indeed.

Seems like i dont need to really reply to this as some other BH regulars have already said everything that needed to be said.
But you have to way i post all wrong, i post how much i think is needed and i wouldnt post on a vs match up if i didnt have sufficient knowladge of the two fighters. I dont claim to be the most knowladgable poster but my lack of knowladge doesnt "disable" me from debates and im sure that the same could be said of you (however bias obviously does).

You simply need a great chin in ATG matchups. This is why I believe Louis would suffer badly against the greats.

Well Lewis beat Holyfield and we all know who had the better chin there.

[Slimey Limey]

You should really wear a clown suit when you make these posts.

Poet

You don't have to wear anything. You already look like the disgusting fat rotten teeth having SLOB that you are, mate. You have been exposed a while ago now, and I'm surprised you haven't committed suicide yet you cheerleading groupie.

In his prime Louis had a pretty sound chin. He may have been dropped numerous times, but rarely knocked out. The reason he was knocked out against Max was due to under traning.

But big punchers like Bear, Galento, Walcott, all coundt KO Louis.

Marcaino was dropped a couple of times in his prime years. Do you think he had bad chin?

Speak sense for once.

I wasn't talking to you. I'm glad I have been affecting you, you're finally realising what a crappy poster you are. Paranoid too. "leave me alone!! Don't study my posts anymore!! but i'm still going to follow you everywhere and instigate a flame war"
Get off me balls you obsessed stalker.

Now, a guy gets knocked down a ****load of times even against BUMS or feather fisted punchers, and just because he didn't get stopped it means he had a "pretty sound" chin??

Zab Judah did not invent the chicken dance. It was Joe Louis. Check out the Elvis dance he did when Schmeling hit him for the first time with that right hand.

Great excuses there too for the Schmeling loss. He is in his prime and then gets found out and brutally slapped around and QUITS. Nobody gets a free pass except for Louis of cource.

Marciano was knocked down against Moore when he was off balance with 1 foot on the mat. Archie had the most KO's ever.

Walcott is another one of the greatest KO% ever.

Compare that to Fat two ton beached whale Galento almost KOing Louis and loads of other bums who did the same. Hurts doesn't it?

65 wins (51 KO's) (more than Marciano)

3 defeats (less than Ali)

26 consecutive title defenses (more than anyone)

75% KO ratio

And this is a terrible record.. I sincerely believe that the best part of you ran down your Mothers leg....

Ali had losses against top 10-20 ATG heavyweights untill he got old and still avenged those defeats. When Marciano almost decapitated Joe, it was all over. Look at the avatar.

26 title defenses against mostly bums.

Klitschko's have the highest KO%. They aint no top 10 ATG's.

Nice little insult there. Did you have tears in your eyes when you typed it? Does it feel like someone is scratching out your eyes every time you look at my avy? Enjoy it mate.

[StarshipTrooper]

You don't have to wear anything. You already look like the disgusting fat rotten teeth having SLOB that you are, mate. You have been exposed a while ago now, and I'm surprised you haven't committed suicide yet you cheerleading groupie.

at an Austin Powers looking Pommie taking the piss out of ANYONE'S dental work. Pot.....Kettle.....Black

Poet

[TheGreatA]

I wasn't talking to you. I'm glad I have been affecting you, you're finally realising what a crappy poster you are. Paranoid too. "leave me alone!! Don't study my posts anymore!! but i'm still going to follow you everywhere and instigate a flame war"
Get off me balls you obsessed stalker.

Now, a guy gets knocked down a ****load of times even against BUMS or feather fisted punchers, and just because he didn't get stopped it means he had a "pretty sound" chin??

Zab Judah did not invent the chicken dance. It was Joe Louis. Check out the Elvis dance he did when Schmeling hit him for the first time with that right hand.

Great excuses there too for the Schmeling loss. He is in his prime and then gets found out and brutally slapped around and QUITS. Nobody gets a free pass except for Louis of cource.

Marciano was knocked down against Moore when he was off balance with 1 foot on the mat. Archie had the most KO's ever.

Walcott is another one of the greatest KO% ever.

Compare that to Fat two ton beached whale Galento almost KOing Louis and loads of other bums who did the same. Hurts doesn't it?

It's not me who you were responding to.

[StarshipTrooper]

It's not me who you were responding to.

Yeah, but he's too stupid to figure it out.

Poet

[Slimey Limey]

It's not me who you were responding to.

If it isn't then it's an alt with the perfect ability to act like you. Which is exactly like that: Louis nutgrabbing, stalking girlmachine.

[TheGreatA]

If it isn't then it's an alt with the perfect ability to act like you. Which is exactly like that: Louis nutgrabbing, stalking girlmachine.

I've hardly "stalked" you. In fact it's you who comes up with outrageous statements in every thread that I've posted in, such as the thread about Ray Robinson in which you said he put on an act to get out of the Maxim fight.

Perfect example:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=284366&page=7

[Slimey Limey]

I've hardly "stalked" you. In fact it's you who comes up with outrageous statements in every thread that I've posted in, such as the thread about Ray Robinson in which you said he put on an act to get out of the Maxim fight.

Keep telling yourself that, only your cheerleader Poet will believe ya mate.

You follow me around in every section with your alt Southpaw16 from nsb to bh trying to start ****e. I've beaten you in most of those debates, too.

Maybe one day you'll realise that Joe Louis and Ray Robinson actually have flaws(yes, clam down, stop shaking, take it easy. it's true, those men do have flaws. REALLY they do.)

[JMM-PAC]

Keep telling yourself that, only your cheerleader Poet will believe ya mate.

You follow me around in every section with your alt Southpaw16 from nsb to bh trying to start ****e. I've beaten you in most of those debates, too.

Maybe one day you'll realise that Joe Louis and Ray Robinson actually have flaws(yes, clam down, stop shaking, take it easy. it's true, those men do have flaws. REALLY they do.)

You do realize Rocky Marcaino had flaws dont you troll?