Tyson being past his prime when Douglas beat him???

[slicksouthpaw16]

Ok, so what do you mean when you say Louis never lost to [i][b]this[b][i] kind of fighter, like Buster Douglas is some kind of bum, but Schmeling is some kind of juggernaut heavyweight even though without Louis his resume is similar to Douglas without the Tyson fight?

Schmelling beat the second greatest heavyweight of all time and he also one plenty of European titles and was never considered a journeyman, unlike Douglas.

my advice is dont even bother with him. im not trying to be an ass but he's full of it. expect him to come up with a list of contenders that make schemeling different from the next guy. i cant be bothered with arguing with him anymore, not just because his so sharp, but because he's that stubborn and ignorant.

he does it with every tyson thread, says it's not a hate thread, and mike is a good fighter, and then starts bashing him for 10 pages.

i already know his agenda

Facts are facts. If you cannot handle an arguement, then don't debate. You just said that all people cannot be as great as Tyson in your previous post and i'm hoping that it was just a typo.

So why are you judging him on his losses?

Cleaning up the division is a exciting and Dominating fashion.
Beating all the top contenders.
Uniting and become the Undisputed Champ.
Becoming the youngest champ of all time.
Becomming the WBC and WBA after 4 years of inactivity.
9 Defences of the title.

Now put those against Marcianos achievements, against foremans achievements and fraziers. You are not judging on achivements.

What elite fighter did Tyson beat in that time? Would he have looked that dominate if Evander Holfyield or Lennox Lewis was in the mix? He still had a lot to accomplish and he did not have one of the long dominate reigns as champion. He was only undisputed champion for three years. Again i rank him as a great heavyweight based on becoming the youngest heavyweight champion and unifying, but you have to do a lot more than this to become an all time great.

[butterfly1964]

Schmelling beat the second greatest heavyweight of all time and he also one plenty of European titles and was never considered a journeyman, unlike Douglas.

You're missing my point. Besides Louis what did Schmeling do that would consider him that much better than Douglas if better at all?

[slicksouthpaw16]

You're missing my point. Besides Louis what did Schmeling do that would consider him that much better than Douglas if better at all?

You asked what made him a great fighter, and i stated that him beating Louis(the second greatest heavyweight of all time) puts him there. Before beating Louis, he was a very good fighter as well. He won many European heavyweight titles and he also beat Young Stribbling for the World heavyweight title so he was never at any point was at a journeyman status. Again, Douglas was a journeyman that had already lost his biggest fights up until Tyson.

[Boogie Nights]

Facts are facts. If you cannot handle an arguement, then don't debate. You just said that all people cannot be as great as Tyson in your previous post and i'm hoping that it was just a typo.

i said not everyone can be as great as Ali, just as anyone cant be as great as tyson. one doesnt measure up to another.

im not sure if you understood my post, either that or you too desperate to make a point that you jump at every word

When talking about buster douglas' losses, why not talk about his wins. He beat Randal Cobb, he also beat the man who beat the man, Oliver McCall, and he also beat a ranked contender Mike Williams. Greg Page is also a good name to have on your resume

[slicksouthpaw16]

i said not everyone can be as great as Ali, just as anyone cant be as great as tyson. one doesnt measure up to another.

im not sure if you understood my post, either that or you too desperate to make a point that you jump at every word

When talking about buster douglas' losses, why not talk about his wins. He beat Randal Cobb, he also beat the man who beat the man, Oliver McCall, and he also beat a ranked contender Mike Williams. Greg Page is also a good name to have on your resume

So are we making Douglas out to be some sort of a highly rated contender now? Pathetic. Before the fight, the fight was thought of to be so much of a mismatch that they couldn't find a venue in American to land the fight so it had to be taken to Toykio. Douglas was not much before or after Tyson.

[Boogie Nights]

What elite fighter did Tyson beat in that time? Would he have looked that dominate if Evander Holfyield or Lennox Lewis was in the mix? He still had a lot to accomplish and he did not have one of the long dominate reigns as champion. He was only undisputed champion for three years. Again i rank him as a great heavyweight based on becoming the youngest heavyweight champion and unifying, but you have to do a lot more than this to become an all time great.

Okay, i can do that too. What elite fighters did Floyd Patterson, or Jersey Joe Walcott beat, both of whom you consider all time greats?

[Boogie Nights]

So are we making Douglas out to be some sort of a highly rated contender now? Pathetic. Before the fight, the fight was thought of to be so much of a mismatch that they couldn't find a venue in American to land the fight so it had to be taken to Toykio. Douglas was not much before or after Tyson.

if im making him into a good contender then you're making him into the ****iest contender. you mention his losses, i mention his wins, what's the problem?

[slicksouthpaw16]

Okay, i can do that too. What elite fighters did Floyd Patterson, or Jersey Joe Walcott beat, both of whom you consider all time greats?

When you tried this game in the other thread, i had already explained that to you and i won't do it again. You asked the exact question and if you are so desperate to twist arguements to make yourself and Tyson look good, then i will not be apart of it and waste my time.

[The Iron Man]

What elite fighter did Tyson beat in that time? Would he have looked that dominate if Evander Holfyield or Lennox Lewis was in the mix? He still had a lot to accomplish and he did not have one of the long dominate reigns as champion.

Tyson didnt have an elite fighter while he was at his best, he beat Spinks, Holmes, Ruddock and Bruno which are all considerd good fighters. Although Holmes wasnt in his prime he was still a good fighter and proved that in his later fights.
You cant really say how would he have been if Lewis and Holyfield were in the mix, because they werent its a usless question! How would Marciano of done if Patterson was in the mix or louis was in his prime? Its useless.
He accomplished a hell of alot more than other fighters that are considerd ATG..Marciano beat no elite fighters, Liston beat no elite fighters, Holmes beat no elite fighters.
Here are the reigns of other Heavy weight champs:

Foreman : 4
Frazier: 4
Marciano: 7
Dempsey: 6
Johnson: 9 (2 draws)
Holyfield: 4 (1 draw)

I think they are correct, i done each fighters longest reign. Shows his record of 9 wasnt too bad at all!

[slicksouthpaw16]

if im making him into a good contender then you're making him into the ****iest contender. you mention his losses, i mention his wins, what's the problem?

Douglas was a very skilled fighter but was not on that level. He was clearly a journeyman and someone that Tyson should have blown out. Now, you are making him out to be some quality fighter so it doesn't look as bad for Tyson. Its not working.