Tyson being past his prime when Douglas beat him???

[Boogie Nights]

When you tried this game in the other thread, i had already explained that to you and i won't do it again. You asked the exact question and if you are so desperate to twist arguements to make yourself and Tyson look good, then i will not be apart of it and waste my time.

no one's playing games. You said that patterson beating Ingemar Johansson makes him an all time great....i dont know how Ingemar can be considered elite now. He beat moore when moore was old as **** and havent done **** all at heavyweight. I can make the same arguement for tyson beating Holmes, but you'll say he was old and inactive

you also said that walcott is great because he beat Ezzard Charles, who doesnt even make top ten, or even top 20 greatest heavyweights and is remembered mostly for his light heavyweight accomplishments

you dont know what the hell you are venting.

[slicksouthpaw16]

no one's playing games. You said that patterson beating Ingemar Johansson makes him an all time great....i dont know how Ingemar can be considered elite now. He beat moore when moore was old as **** and havent done **** all at heavyweight. I can make the same arguement for tyson beating Holmes, but you'll say he was old and inactive

you also said that walcott is great because he beat Ezzard Charles, who doesnt even make top ten, or even top 20 greatest heavyweights and is remembered mostly for his light heavyweight accomplishments

you dont know what the hell you are venting.

Since you are so good at finding someone's post history, go back and paste that entire post here becuase that is not what i said at all. You are again, twisting arguements.

[Boogie Nights]

Douglas was a very skilled fighter but was not on that level. He was clearly a journeyman and someone that Tyson should have blown out. Now, you are making him out to be some quality fighter so it doesn't look as bad for Tyson. Its not working.

jersey joe walcott got beat by an unknown Henry Taylor, and 11-15 Johnny allen.

what kind of all time great looses to those guys, among others?

it's not working

[Boogie Nights]

Since you are so good at finding someone's post history, go back and paste that entire post here becuase that is not what i said at all. You are again, twisting arguements.

that's exactly what you said, along with some other weak contenders who dont mean **** really, and dont qualify for elites

[The Iron Man]

slicksouthpaw16 go back to page 4 to see my reply, i think uve missed it while posting.

[slicksouthpaw16]

that's exactly what you said, along with some other weak contenders who dont mean **** really, and dont qualify for elites

I made a post about all of their accomplishments and what made them great fighter and like always, you completely ignored all logic and started making desperate cases for Tyson. Respond to the entire post instead of just picking one part and blowing it all out of porportion.

[Boogie Nights]

I made a post about all of their accomplishments and what made them great fighter and like always, you completely ignored all logic and started making desperate cases for Tyson. Respond to the entire post instead of just picking one part and blowing it all out of porportion.

it all comes back to one thing, it's not unrelated. you bash tyson for the same reasons you consider other fighters great and give them a pass

you dont create an even playing field

[slicksouthpaw16]

Tyson didnt have an elite fighter while he was at his best, he beat Spinks, Holmes, Ruddock and Bruno which are all considerd good fighters. Although Holmes wasnt in his prime he was still a good fighter and proved that in his later fights.
You cant really say how would he have been if Lewis and Holyfield were in the mix, because they werent its a usless question! How would Marciano of done if Patterson was in the mix or louis was in his prime? Its useless.
He accomplished a hell of alot more than other fighters that are considerd ATG..Marciano beat no elite fighters, Liston beat no elite fighters, Holmes beat no elite fighters.
Here are the reigns of other Heavy weight champs:

Foreman : 4
Frazier: 4
Marciano: 7
Dempsey: 6
Johnson: 9 (2 draws)
Holyfield: 4 (1 draw)

I think they are correct, i done each fighters longest reign. Shows his record of 9 wasnt too bad at all!

For example, Lennox Lewis is more accomplished than Tyson. Their era's were no different and neither had prime elite fighters to fight. The reason why he will most likely be known as the greater fighter is becuase he took more chances by fighting the best and had that consistancy and he also rebounded from his losses by avenging them and beating everyone that he fought. He also beat far better fighters than Tyson did.

I see that you have named Demsey, Johnson, Frazier and Holyfield, when they had the names needed on their resume and fought the best. Tyson won and defended his title against no elite fighters. Frazier beat Ali, Foreman beat Frazier, Marciano beat everyone that he fought and retired unbeaten, Holfyield beat Riddock Bowe, George Foreman, Dewight Qawi ( who is a top 3 great cruiserweight) ect. These fighters had those names.

[slicksouthpaw16]

it all comes back to one thing, it's not unrelated. you bash tyson for the same reasons you consider other fighters great and give them a pass

you dont create an even playing field

I said that Tyson was a great heavyweight and i have him on my top 10 list of all time great heavyweight, the point that i was getting at was that he is not an all time great. Great but not all time great status. I have nothing against Tyson and he was one of the most exciting heavyweight champions.

[The Iron Man]

I could keep dicussing this, and points in tysons favour. But it seems to me you keep changing your perception on greatness so to not count tyson..its gon from accomplishments then to number of defences and now to elite fights. Even though Marciano and Holmes didnt fight any. Marciano may have been undefeated but every single great heavyweight would have been undefeated in that era. Tyson took chances in fighting the best he didnt duck anyone during his reign as champion. He fought more oftern than any modern heavyweight.
Btw What is you top 10 heavy list?