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Im a tyson fan, but i dont buy into this long count lark. He was beaten for many reasons, him not commiting as he would to other fights, poor cornermen, Douglas having the fight of his life. I would of loved a re-match, even after he got into prison it would have made his record look even better.
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He was not past his prime, he was too young. He was just out of shape and ****ed up in his head and lacking opf heart. his inner child took over and he became a *****. do not confuse the two!Comment
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considering what tyson was, douglas gave the greatest boxing performance I've ever seen.Comment
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Past his prime mentally yes.Comment
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I tdont think he was past hes prime. Tyson was a better fighter when he had Rooney as hes trainer. But i think that in any rematch Tyson would have KO Douglas big.
As Kevin Rooney later said in a interview. Tyson almost didnt throw any punches....and if you watch the fight, that was exactly what happend.
i also belive if Tyson had fougt more fights before Holyfield in 95 he could have done a real good comebeck!Comment
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oh and tyson isnt as great as people think
he had no heart, no mental toughness, and had no idea what to do when he was getting beaten
thats what makes a champion, not how good you look knocking people out, but how you come back from a loss or how you rally when you are getting badly beaten
would ali have just stood there and let the fight slip away? hell no
would SRR have let the fight go and not go after a rematch? **** no, he lost once to jake la motta and came back to beat him 5 times....
even duran, after he quit agaisnt SRL, came back and redeemed himself many times, and then rematched SRL when they were both shot
tyson didnt have the heart or the will of a true champion, i mean people call floyd a ***** with no heart, but have you ever seen him throw a fight away, or not put in his best to try and defeat his opponent? i didnt think so
thats why tyson will be remembered as a scary guy who was very feared definitely....
but not remembered as an ATG who fought his guts out and never put in a sub par effort
and as for him being in his prime when he fought douglas, yes he was, but he was undertrained and undermotivated...but still he shouldnt have lost to buster, no way...
ali was shot and heavily deteriorated and most likely undertrained also when he fought and lost to spinks, but he came back and beat spinks in the rematch
SRR won the middleweight title several times and challenged for the LHW title when he was past his best
thats what separates tyson from these guysComment
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** Ali didn't have to fight on prozac like Tyson did.
Ali was also involved in some of the dreariest fights in history where he did next to nothing and was gifted. Much better example would be Rocky Marciano who never let any fight slip away and was never just standing around or dancing away doing nothing.Comment
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- You name one fight where Tyson beat a great prime fighter.
- Name one fight where tyson beat someone as good as liston, frazier,Foremen, Shavers, Norton,
- Name one fighter where tyson was rocked and he came on show his toughness
- Name one fight where he had someone who was as tough mentally and physically and he prevailed, in fact did not wimp out.
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Hey wpink! What I think you're discovering is London's life-long mission: To discredit Ali. I stopped trading punches with this dude a year ago because he's a hopeless case. He believes Ali is grossly overrated and no amount of logic and evidence is going to sway him. Not sure what his issue with Ali really is. Maybe pissed in his soup or something.
As to your points:
1. You can't! Tyson never beat a great fighter in his prime.
2. Maybe Ruddock and Tucker were on par with Shavers and Norton but that's as close as he gets.
3. To be fair, Bruno DID rock Tyson two or three times in their fist fight and Mike came back to stop Frank.
4. Closest I can reckon is his two fights with Ruddock. No others come to mind.
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