Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

[oneiros1313]

Conas ta tu?

Where are you from or what part of the country

Southern California.

[JulioCesaChavez]

Greatness is not struggling to beat a few overhyped washed up old men.

[StarshipTrooper]

Greatness is not struggling to beat a few overhyped washed up old men.

Greatness in a poster is not making hate posts about fighters who could kick the ass of just about any fighter you happen to nut-hug and obsessing on their skin color as if it's an attribute that actually matters in the ring. Considering you're supposedly from Spain I guess that makes you a self-loathing whitey doesn't it?

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[JulioCesaChavez]

I'm not white or from Spain. I never said anything about his skin colour in relation to his fighting. I said the media overrate him because of it. He couldn't beat Ali or Holmes and if you think he could you beensmoking dope. HE struggled V old men and was too easy to hi. He fought nobody good in their prime so is not a great. He didn't even dominate the old men! And he was helped against Archie Moore who was not a heavyweight like you had in 70s. Neither was Charles or Walcott. You fail to explain why and how you think Marciano could havng in their with the best of the 70's. He was just a great white hype, which is a fact! He had no skills and hs style was ****. He was too small, too slow and simply not good enough compared to any other genuine heavy's. You just want to lick his balls because you think it tastes like pasta.

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm not white or from Spain.

I believe you made that claim in a much earlier post Rafael Benitez.

I never said anything about his skin colour in relation to his fighting. I said the media overrate him because of it.

The same thing because because it implies his skills are an artificial constuct do to his pigmentation.

He couldn't beat Ali or Holmes and if you think he could you beensmoking dope.

I never said he could since I rank both higher on my ATG list. Your diabtribe is he doesn't belong on ANY ATG list.

HE struggled V old men and was too easy to hi. He fought nobody good in their prime so is not a great.

Again, pray tell the good fighters in their prime that Tyson beat to be great? (BTW I notice your devolving standard everytime I ask this question: You've gone from ATG to just great and now "good").

He didn't even dominate the old men!.

No he just knocked them unconcious. That's not dominating them nooooo.

And he was helped against Archie Moore!

You've picked up on JUNIOR'S mantra now

who was not a heavyweight like you had in 70s. Neither was Charles or Walcott.

Non sequitar. The point is were they Heavyweights during the era they fought. Using your flawed logic Those fighters from the 70s aren't Heavyweights either because we have 250 pounders running around the division today.

You fail to explain why and how you think Marciano could havng [sic] in their with the best of the 70's.

Joe Frazier did quite nicely and he was damn close to being a Marciano clone. Oh, I forgot! Frazier had the "correct" pigmentation so therefore he could fight.

He was just a great white hype, which is a fact!

Hyped by who? I would hazzard to say that thoughout Marciano's title reign he was less popular than the practically universally beloved Joe Louis.

He had no skills and hs [sic] style was ****.

But he a granite jaw and one-punch KO power coupled with determination few fighters in history could match. A fighter will go far with those attributes.

He was too small, too slow and simply not good enough compared to any other genuine heavy's.

You've yet to define genuine Heavyweight. Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, and Joe Louis must not have been "genuine" Heavies by your warped thinking.

Real simple: If your weight is NOT out of line with the average weight of the Heavyweights of your era then you are a "genuine" Heavy.

You just want to lick his balls because you think it tastes like pasta.

Is that a racial slur against Italians? You must be begging for another ban! For the record I'm not even Italian I'm Scot-German you dip****.

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[Allucard]

Marciano was overrated. If he fought Liston isntead of being a chicken he would have bean beaten to a pulp. He struggled against slow old men like Walcott and a washed up Charles. I reckon most top heavies from each era would have wiped the floor with him. Do u really think he could stand in there with Big Klitchko, Lewis, Holyfied or even Samuel Peter?LOL. Way too easy to hit. He was lucky that Italians loved boxing at the time, it was number one in sports and he had no competition.

Only idiots who have no fight dvd's (i have 1000+ 500vhs) and haven't seen much would rate 'the rock'. The best of his era were old men, and even then he was getting outboxed by the painfully slow Jersey Joe Walcott (equivalent to a journeyman like glen johnson)just by looking at footage one can see he wouldn't stand a chance aginst a Prime Roy Jones, the old Hopkins or even our Clinton Woods! Never mind any genuine heavyweight. He didn't lose coz he didn't fight anybody. Look at all the best, they lost coz they fought the best. He knew he had to retire early or get ko'd by the up and coming fighters! Smart guy but still rubbish.

I've seen every major boxing match that took place in the past 100 years and every Marciano title fight. Walcott was an old slow man and even then he had to hit the man when he was down because he was being outboxed. Marciano is overrated because he was the white hope in a segragated America where they believed they were evolutionarily superior. Marciano never beat anybody decent in their prime and was lucky he was in a dead era. The truth is he was overrated and would lose to many of todays light heavyweights including Calzaghe Hopkins and maybe even Tarver. People who know boxing know he is not a top ten heavyweight. Don't get upset, it is the truth.

LOL some Marciano advocates believe Joe Louis was not totally over the hill when Marciano fought him!!! He was pulled out of retirment and looked more washed up than the shores of Blackpool. Just because Rocky was crap and made a meal out of him and the other old men he fought doesn't mean they were not washed up. Also he did not fight everyone around at his time and retired early to avoid the likes of Sonny liston, Cleveland Williams etc. Even so, it may not be his fault but still exposed his weaknesses. He struggled with Walcott who was average, slow and ever so OLD. It took a dirty shot and there was never to be a rematch in segregated america that needed their hero so bad. He was so easy to hit it was a joke. Completely outboxed for many rouns. Marciano would lose to David Haye in about 2 rounds.

I think he is not even in the top 20 in the heavyweight division of all time. It pisses me off when people think he was in the top 5 or even the best! ROFL. Why does he always pop up on p4p lists? He was absolutely ****!

Guess who is pulling another one of these stunts? Joe Calzaghe! Come on, you can do better than old Roy and Bernard! Ina couple of years people will be making points like this about you and despite people being annoyed by it and confuse it with hatred (maybe a little bit) but still this guy has a point. Undefeated records by themselves don't prove much other than you had a good head/manager! But then again you can't really blame Joe, it's what boxing is today. His people need an hero and he has to deliver, even if he isn't real deal (he could be but we can't tell as of yet). What really makes people mad, as it did in the case of Marciano is fighters like these and specially their fans and associated media not only claiming they were good but going to say to say they are All Time Greats! That's very offensive to the likes of Ali, Sugar Ray Robbinson, Foreman who really accomplished major features, moved up, conquered the world and in some cases came back to do it again (Ali, Foreman)! That's an ATG in my book. Not even Mayweather went as far as to saying he was an ATG and his record puts Joe Calzaghe's to shame! Why do all white fighters who finish their careers undefeated have huge bandwagons making a case for ATG status? There are a few legit white ATG fighters like Tunney and Dempsy who not only were among the very first fighters to ever lace them up, but had astonishing numbers of fights and managed to win even with poor diet/preparation/fight notice.

[YUHHHHHHH!]

Marciano could knock out the thread starter and the people hating on him.

Plus he was Italian, so his **** was probably huge. So everyone here who dislikes him loses bad. ='[

[JAB5239]

What really makes people mad, as it did in the case of Marciano is fighters like these and specially their fans and associated media not only claiming they were good but going to say to say they are All Time Greats! That's very offensive to the likes of Ali, Sugar Ray Robbinson, Foreman who really accomplished major features, moved up, conquered the world and in some cases came back to do it again (Ali, Foreman)! That's an ATG in my book.

So cleaning out an entire division and retiring without ever losing doesn't get a fighter ranked all time in your book? Plain lunacy. Unlike Calzaghe, Marciano wasn't choosing an old fighter (Jones) instead of say, Chad Dawson. Like Hopkins was to Calzaghe (Joe's best win) the best fighters Marciano faced were older than average, but the best there was around and all time greats to boot. You talk about moving up. Marciano practicly had to move up everytime he fought. He was almost always the smaller fighter and outweighed. Had he not been fighting heavyweight many of his fights could have been seperated by 2 and 3 weight classes going by the differential. He was also usually shorter. But despite these thing he still persevered.

Not even Mayweather went as far as to saying he was an ATG and his record puts Joe Calzaghe's to shame!

Mayweather once claimed he was better than Ray Robinson.

Why do all white fighters who finish their careers undefeated have huge bandwagons making a case for ATG status?

Who are "ALL" these white fighters who retired undefeated with huge bandwagons?

There are a few legit white ATG fighters like Tunney and Dempsy who not only were among the very first fighters to ever lace them up, but had astonishing numbers of fights and managed to win even with poor diet/preparation/fight notice.

Very telling first sentence. Im going to let you in on a little secret though. There have been dozens upon dozens of great white fighters. Marciano is not only among them, but right by the top.

[TheGreatA]

Why do all white fighters who finish their careers undefeated have huge bandwagons making a case for ATG status?

Who are "ALL" these white fighters who retired undefeated with huge bandwagons?

Not even Mayweather went as far as to saying he was an ATG and his record puts Joe Calzaghe's to shame!

Mayweather once claimed he was better than Ray Robinson.

Mayweather also said that Ali, Robinson and Leonard don't compare to him because they have lost fights.

It's a big deal to some people.

[StarshipTrooper]

Marciano could knock out the thread starter and the people hating on him.

Plus he was Italian, so his **** was probably huge. So everyone here who dislikes him loses bad. ='[

Too funny!

Poet