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  • poet, you fail! still could nto answer my question. Mentioning grammar shows you are sad enough to think posts need to be reviewed before uploading, and white postmen do not pose a threat. However whitey's do need to worry about Arabian taxi drivers! anyway, Marciano being a whitey has nothing to do with why I do not like him. I have said he is overrated by the old media because he is white, and if you look in history during the 50's they did need their 'great white hope' which is why that has become a well known saying! His weak opposition were NOT WHITE, and they are the basis on which I do not rate him. In any case, I am not black either as stats prove our poles are longer than them (and of course you, which is why you have an inferiroity complex!), so why would I show bias V Marciano but not Ali???

    You're weak insults and pathetic attempts at patronisation are a smoke screen for the fact that you SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER!!!!

    Kid McCoy you tried but putting words into my mouth change nothing. I never said anything about defeating ATG heavies! I said which prime heavies which were even recognised at the time did he dominate? the only fighters that he fought who were recognised as top notch at the time were over the hill and yet he still failed to dominate. You actually think getting dropped by slow old Walcott makes him great? Walcott had tricks up his sleeve but was not a big punching heavy by any stretch of the imagination. Truth is Marciano was nothing but a blow up overhyped light heavy who could not hang in any other era in the division. He is acclaimed in that division so he must be compared to others in the same division. That is why he is overrated an both oif you fail to justify his 'greatness'.

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    • Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
      Kid McCoy you tried but putting words into my mouth change nothing. I never said anything about defeating ATG heavies! I said which prime heavies which were even recognised at the time did he dominate? the only fighters that he fought who were recognised as top notch at the time were over the hill and yet he still failed to dominate. You actually think getting dropped by slow old Walcott makes him great? Walcott had tricks up his sleeve but was not a big punching heavy by any stretch of the imagination. Truth is Marciano was nothing but a blow up overhyped light heavy who could not hang in any other era in the division. He is acclaimed in that division so he must be compared to others in the same division. That is why he is overrated an both oif you fail to justify his 'greatness'.
      Earlier in this thread you asked: "which prime ATG did Rocky dominate to become great?" So my point still stands.

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      • I lowered the bar to give him a chance and the dude still failed. Overrating is about relativity, which is something you two have failed to grasp. he is overrated because people are not just saying he was good or an ATG, but they claim he is top 5 and can even beat Ali! Just admit he is as overrated as it gets and call it a day yeah.

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        • Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          poet, you fail! still could nto [sic] answer my question. Mentioning grammar shows you are sad enough to think posts need to be reviewed before uploading, and white postmen do not pose a threat.
          What? Is your mom STILL blaming that white postman for her inability to keep her legs closed?

          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          However whitey's [sic] do need to worry about Arabian taxi drivers!
          Yeah, only ones with bombs attached!

          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          anyway, Marciano being a whitey has nothing to do with why I do not like him. I have said he is overrated by the old media because he is white,
          You just ******** contadicted yourself!

          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          and if you look in history during the 50's they did need their 'great white hope' which is why that has become a well known saying!
          OMFG! Are you really that ignorant? The term "Great White Hope" refers to the white fighters being pushed to take on Jack Johnson back in the early 1900s NOT any reference to the Marciano era.

          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          His weak opposition were [sic] NOT WHITE, and they are the basis on which I do not rate him. In any case, I am not black either as stats prove our poles are longer than them (and of course you, which is why you have an inferiroity complex!),
          WTF?!?! Where out of left field did PENIS size come into the equation????? :gay:

          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          so why would I show bias V Marciano but not Ali???
          Because you're a moron who contradicts himself constantly maybe?

          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          You're weak insults and pathetic attempts at patronisation [sic] are a smoke screen for the fact that you SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER!!!!
          Where's the answer to question Kid McCoy and put to you hmmm?

          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          Kid McCoy you tried but putting words into my mouth change [sic] nothing. I never said anything about defeating ATG heavies! I said which prime heavies which were even recognised at the time did he dominate?
          That was a hedge after I called you on your assinine previous statement.
          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          the only fighters that he fought who were recognised as top notch at the time were over the hill and yet he still failed to dominate. You actually think getting dropped by slow old Walcott makes him great?
          Yet another attack on the classy Walcott.
          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          Walcott had tricks up his sleeve but was not a big punching heavy by any stretch of the imagination.
          You don't have to be to score a knockdown.
          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          Truth is Marciano was nothing but a blow up [sic] overhyped [sic] light heavy [sic]
          I am not aware that at any time did Marciano fight in the 175 pound weight class as a pro.
          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          who could not hang in any other era in the division. He is acclaimed in that division so he must be compared to others in the same division.
          Strawhorse. I've never compared him to anyone other then fellow ATG Heavyweights not have I seen anyone else do so.
          Originally posted by JulioCesaChavez View Post
          That is why he is overrated an both oif [sic] you fail to justify his 'greatness'.
          And you, Sir, fail to make a case for his lack of greatness. You did, however, make a fantastic case for your own ignorance and ******ity.....but I'm sure you slept at a Hollyday Inn last night.

          Poet

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          • Well, Foulmouth, you need your Mommy to squirt your mouth with dish detergent. I've seen the official records, Foulmouth, and there is a difference between KO and TKO. If there's no difference, why do you suppose one is listed KO and the other TKO? Why not simply say KO? You need to get real and stop being so obsessed with motormouth Ali and see the facts. The only reason most think Ali was great is the fact he ranted constantly that he was the greatest and silly people believed it. What he meant was he surpassed everyone in running his mouth nonstop, spewing out nonsense. Not that it matters, FM, but I am female and I don't like your trashy mouth.
            Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
            Dude, you need to take you ignorant ass over and see the official records whether BoxRec or some other source. They do NOT differentiate between them. When you see Ali's record as 37-5-0 (37) that "37" is all stoppages. There is no difference in the official record. Learn something for a change instead of flapping your cum dumpster on a subject you know phuck all about.

            What a ******** 24 karat ignoramous.

            Poet

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            • Illiterate!

              Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
              I-G-N-O-R-A-N-C-E

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              • Originally posted by logan58 View Post
                Well, Foulmouth, you need your Mommy to squirt your mouth with dish detergent. I've seen the official records, Foulmouth, and there is a difference between KO and TKO. If there's no difference, why do you suppose one is listed KO and the other TKO? Why not simply say KO? You need to get real and stop being so obsessed with motormouth Ali and see the facts. The only reason most think Ali was great is the fact he ranted constantly that he was the greatest and silly people believed it. What he meant was he surpassed everyone in running his mouth nonstop, spewing out nonsense. Not that it matters, FM, but I am female and I don't like your trashy mouth.
                Because they aren't you ignorant **********. Records are listed typically in this format: 32-4-1 (25). Guess what the (25)? KOs, TKOs, Corner stoppages, cut stoppages, broken ankle stoppages, quitting with ass on stool stoppages: No distinctions are made. If you don't know how to read a simple equation like that you might as well give up and shoot yourself because you're too ****** to live.

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                • Ali's record:
                  56 Wins (37 knockouts, 19 decisions), 5 Losses (4 decisions, 1 retirement), 0 Draws
                  Res. Opponent Type Rd., Time Date Location
                  Win Tunney Hunsaker Decision (unanimous) 6 (6) 10/29/1960 Louisville, KY
                  Win Herb Siler KO 4 (8) 12/27/1960 Miami Beach, FL
                  Win Tony Esperti TKO 3 (8), 1:30 01/17/1961 Miami Beach, FL
                  Win Jimmy Robinson KO 1 (8), 1:34 02/07/1961 Miami Beach, FL
                  Win Donnie Fleeman TKO 7 (8) 02/21/1961 Miami Beach, FL
                  Win LaMar Clark KO 2 (10), 1:27 04/19/1961 Louisville, KY
                  Win Duke Sabedong Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 06/26/1961 Las Vegas, NV
                  Win Alonzo Johnson Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 07/22/1961 Louisville, KY
                  Win Alex Miteff TKO 6 (10), 1:45 10/07/1961 Louisville, KY
                  Win Willi Besmanoff TKO 7 (10), 1:55 11/29/1961 Louisville, KY
                  Win Sonny Banks TKO 4 (10), 0:26 02/10/1962 New York City, NY
                  Win Don Warner TKO 4, 0:34 02/28/1962 Miami Beach, FL
                  Win George Logan TKO 4 (10), 1:34 04/23/1962 New York City, NY
                  Win Billy Daniels TKO 7 (10), 2:21 05/19/1962 Los Angeles, CA
                  Win Alejandro Lavorante KO 5 (10), 1:48 07/20/1962 Los Angeles, CA
                  Win Archie Moore TKO 4 (10), 1:35 11/15/1962 Los Angeles, CA
                  Win Charlie Powell KO 3, 2:04 01/24/1963 Pittsburgh, PA
                  Win Doug Jones Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 03/13/1963 New York City, NY
                  Win Henry Cooper TKO 5 (10), 2:15 06/18/1963 London, England
                  Win Sonny Liston TKO 7 (15) 02/25/1964 Miami Beach, FL
                  Win Sonny Liston KO 1 (15), 2:12 05/25/1965 Lewiston, ME
                  Win Floyd Patterson TKO 12 (15), 2:18 11/22/1965 Las Vegas, NV
                  Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 03/29/1966 Toronto, Canada
                  Win Henry Cooper TKO 6 (15), 1:38 05/21/1966 London, England
                  Win Brian London KO 3 (15) 08/06/1966 London, England
                  Win Karl Mildenberger TKO 12 (15) 09/10/1966 Frankfurt, Germany
                  Win Cleveland Williams TKO 3 (15) 11/14/1966 Houston, TX
                  Win Ernie Terrell Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 02/06/1967 Houston, TX
                  Win Zora Folley KO 7 (15), 1:48 03/22/1967 New York City, NY
                  Win Jerry Quarry TKO 3 (15) 10/26/1970 Atlanta, GA
                  Win Oscar Bonavena TKO 15 (15), 2:03 12/07/1970 New York City, NY
                  Loss Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 03/08/1971 New York City, NY
                  Win Jimmy Ellis TKO 12 (12), 2:10 07/26/1971 Houston, TX
                  Win Buster Mathis Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 11/17/1971 Houston, TX
                  Win Jürgen Blin KO 7 (12), 2:12 12/26/1971 Zurich, Switzerland
                  Win Mac Foster Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 04/01/1972 Tokyo, Japan
                  Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 05/01/1972 Vancouver, Canada
                  Win Jerry Quarry TKO 7 (12), 0:19 06/27/1972 Las Vegas, NV
                  Win Alvin Lewis TKO 11 (12), 1:15 07/19/1972 Dublin, Ireland
                  Win Floyd Patterson TKO 7 (12) 09/20/1972 New York City, NY
                  Win Bob Foster KO 7 (12) 11/21/1972 Stateline, NV
                  Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 02/14/1973 Las Vegas, NV
                  Loss Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 03/31/1973 San Diego, CA
                  Win Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 09/10/1973 Los Angeles, CA
                  Win Rudi Lubbers Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 10/20/1973 Jakarta, Indonesia
                  Win Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 01/28/1974 New York City, NY
                  Win George Foreman KO 8 (15), 2:58 10/30/1974 Kinshasa, Zaire
                  Win Chuck Wepner TKO 15 (15), 2:41 03/24/1975 Richfield, OH
                  Win Ron Lyle TKO 11 (15) 05/16/1975 Las Vegas, NV
                  Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 07/01/1975 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
                  Win Joe Frazier TKO 14 (15), 0:59 10/01/1975 Quezon City, Philippines
                  Win Jean-Pierre Coopman KO 5 (15) 02/20/1976 San Juan, Puerto Rico
                  Win Jimmy Young Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 04/30/1976 Landover, MD
                  Win Richard Dunn TKO 5 (15) 05/24/1976 Munich, Germany
                  Win Ken Norton Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 09/28/1976 New York, New York
                  Win Alfredo Evangelista Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 05/16/1977 Landover, MD
                  Win Earnie Shavers Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 09/29/1977 New York City, NY
                  Loss Leon Spinks Decision (split) 15 (15) 02/15/1978 Las Vegas, NV
                  Win Leon Spinks Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 09/15/1978 New Orleans, LA
                  Loss Larry Holmes TKO 10 (15) 10/02/1980 Las Vegas, NV
                  Loss Trevor Berbick Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 12/11/1981 Nassau, Ba*****



                  Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                  Dude, you need to take you ignorant ass over and see the official records whether BoxRec or some other source. They do NOT differentiate between them. When you see Ali's record as 37-5-0 (37) that "37" is all stoppages. There is no difference in the official record. Learn something for a change instead of flapping your cum dumpster on a subject you know phuck all about.

                  What a ******** 24 karat ignoramous.

                  Poet

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                  • You just hanged yourself with your own post:

                    Originally posted by logan58 View Post
                    Ali's record:
                    56 Wins (37 knockouts, 19 decisions), 5 Losses (4 decisions, 1 retirement), 0 Draws
                    See that 37 Knockouts? Go down that list of opponents and do the math. Wanna bet the number of "KOs" don't add up to 37? Until you start figuring in the "TKOs" maybe? BTW, that "37" is the number used to figure a fighter's KO percentage. That means you can stop all 37 on cuts and it counts toward your KO percentage.

                    Game, Set, and Match

                    Poet

                    Originally posted by logan58 View Post
                    Res. Opponent Type Rd., Time Date Location
                    Win Tunney Hunsaker Decision (unanimous) 6 (6) 10/29/1960 Louisville, KY
                    Win Herb Siler KO 4 (8) 12/27/1960 Miami Beach, FL
                    Win Tony Esperti TKO 3 (8), 1:30 01/17/1961 Miami Beach, FL
                    Win Jimmy Robinson KO 1 (8), 1:34 02/07/1961 Miami Beach, FL
                    Win Donnie Fleeman TKO 7 (8) 02/21/1961 Miami Beach, FL
                    Win LaMar Clark KO 2 (10), 1:27 04/19/1961 Louisville, KY
                    Win Duke Sabedong Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 06/26/1961 Las Vegas, NV
                    Win Alonzo Johnson Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 07/22/1961 Louisville, KY
                    Win Alex Miteff TKO 6 (10), 1:45 10/07/1961 Louisville, KY
                    Win Willi Besmanoff TKO 7 (10), 1:55 11/29/1961 Louisville, KY
                    Win Sonny Banks TKO 4 (10), 0:26 02/10/1962 New York City, NY
                    Win Don Warner TKO 4, 0:34 02/28/1962 Miami Beach, FL
                    Win George Logan TKO 4 (10), 1:34 04/23/1962 New York City, NY
                    Win Billy Daniels TKO 7 (10), 2:21 05/19/1962 Los Angeles, CA
                    Win Alejandro Lavorante KO 5 (10), 1:48 07/20/1962 Los Angeles, CA
                    Win Archie Moore TKO 4 (10), 1:35 11/15/1962 Los Angeles, CA
                    Win Charlie Powell KO 3, 2:04 01/24/1963 Pittsburgh, PA
                    Win Doug Jones Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 03/13/1963 New York City, NY
                    Win Henry Cooper TKO 5 (10), 2:15 06/18/1963 London, England
                    Win Sonny Liston TKO 7 (15) 02/25/1964 Miami Beach, FL
                    Win Sonny Liston KO 1 (15), 2:12 05/25/1965 Lewiston, ME
                    Win Floyd Patterson TKO 12 (15), 2:18 11/22/1965 Las Vegas, NV
                    Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 03/29/1966 Toronto, Canada
                    Win Henry Cooper TKO 6 (15), 1:38 05/21/1966 London, England
                    Win Brian London KO 3 (15) 08/06/1966 London, England
                    Win Karl Mildenberger TKO 12 (15) 09/10/1966 Frankfurt, Germany
                    Win Cleveland Williams TKO 3 (15) 11/14/1966 Houston, TX
                    Win Ernie Terrell Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 02/06/1967 Houston, TX
                    Win Zora Folley KO 7 (15), 1:48 03/22/1967 New York City, NY
                    Win Jerry Quarry TKO 3 (15) 10/26/1970 Atlanta, GA
                    Win Oscar Bonavena TKO 15 (15), 2:03 12/07/1970 New York City, NY
                    Loss Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 03/08/1971 New York City, NY
                    Win Jimmy Ellis TKO 12 (12), 2:10 07/26/1971 Houston, TX
                    Win Buster Mathis Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 11/17/1971 Houston, TX
                    Win Jürgen Blin KO 7 (12), 2:12 12/26/1971 Zurich, Switzerland
                    Win Mac Foster Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 04/01/1972 Tokyo, Japan
                    Win George Chuvalo Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 05/01/1972 Vancouver, Canada
                    Win Jerry Quarry TKO 7 (12), 0:19 06/27/1972 Las Vegas, NV
                    Win Alvin Lewis TKO 11 (12), 1:15 07/19/1972 Dublin, Ireland
                    Win Floyd Patterson TKO 7 (12) 09/20/1972 New York City, NY
                    Win Bob Foster KO 7 (12) 11/21/1972 Stateline, NV
                    Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 02/14/1973 Las Vegas, NV
                    Loss Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 03/31/1973 San Diego, CA
                    Win Ken Norton Decision (split) 12 (12) 09/10/1973 Los Angeles, CA
                    Win Rudi Lubbers Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 10/20/1973 Jakarta, Indonesia
                    Win Joe Frazier Decision (unanimous) 12 (12) 01/28/1974 New York City, NY
                    Win George Foreman KO 8 (15), 2:58 10/30/1974 Kinshasa, Zaire
                    Win Chuck Wepner TKO 15 (15), 2:41 03/24/1975 Richfield, OH
                    Win Ron Lyle TKO 11 (15) 05/16/1975 Las Vegas, NV
                    Win Joe Bugner Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 07/01/1975 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
                    Win Joe Frazier TKO 14 (15), 0:59 10/01/1975 Quezon City, Philippines
                    Win Jean-Pierre Coopman KO 5 (15) 02/20/1976 San Juan, Puerto Rico
                    Win Jimmy Young Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 04/30/1976 Landover, MD
                    Win Richard Dunn TKO 5 (15) 05/24/1976 Munich, Germany
                    Win Ken Norton Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 09/28/1976 New York, New York
                    Win Alfredo Evangelista Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 05/16/1977 Landover, MD
                    Win Earnie Shavers Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 09/29/1977 New York City, NY
                    Loss Leon Spinks Decision (split) 15 (15) 02/15/1978 Las Vegas, NV
                    Win Leon Spinks Decision (unanimous) 15 (15) 09/15/1978 New Orleans, LA
                    Loss Larry Holmes TKO 10 (15) 10/02/1980 Las Vegas, NV
                    Loss Trevor Berbick Decision (unanimous) 10 (10) 12/11/1981 Nassau, Ba*****

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                    • Oh, and here's the current Ring Magazine Heavyweight ratings:

                      1 1 180 WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 51-3 (45)
                      2 2 4 VITALI KLITSCHKO 36-2 (35)
                      3 3 103 RUSLAN CHAGAEV 24-0-1 (17)
                      4 4 151 NICOLAY VALUEV 49-1 (34)
                      5 5 54 ALEXANDER POVETKIN 16-0 (12)
                      6 6 75 SULTAN IBRAGIMOV 22-1-1 (17)
                      7 7 183 SAMUEL PETER 30-2 (23)
                      8 8 117 OLEG MASKAEV 35-6 (26)
                      9 9 6 JUAN CARLOS GOMEZ 44-1 (35)
                      10 10 35 JOHN RUIZ 43-8-1 (29)

                      Want to take a stab at what those numbers in the () means? Hmmm?

                      How about BoxRec?

                      1 Wladimir Klitschko 1660 51 (45) - 3 (3) - 0
                      2 Vitali Klitschko 930 36 (35) - 2 (2) - 0
                      3 Ruslan Chagaev 848 24 (17) - 0 (0) - 1
                      4 David Haye 699 21 (20) - 1 (1) - 0
                      5 Tony Thompson 640 31 (19) - 2 (1) - 0
                      6 Nikolay Valuev 607 49 (34) - 1 (0) - 0
                      7 Samuel Peter 590 30 (23) - 2 (1) - 0
                      8 Juan Carlos Gomez 578 44 (35) - 1 (1) - 0
                      9 John Ruiz 558 43 (29) - 8 (1) - 1
                      10 Oleg Maskaev 495 35 (26) - 6 (6) - 0
                      11 Lamon Brewster 491 34 (30) - 4 (1) - 0
                      12 Alexander Povetkin 485 16 (12) - 0 (0) - 0
                      13 Matt Skelton 474 21 (18) - 2 (0) - 0
                      14 Monte Barrett 462 34 (20) - 6 (3) - 0
                      15 Danny Williams 424 40 (31) - 6 (3) - 0
                      16 Sultan Ibragimov 411 22 (17) - 1 (0) - 1
                      17 Hasim Rahman 410 45 (36) - 6 (4) - 2
                      18 Eddie Chambers 402 32 (18) - 1 (0) - 0
                      19 Andrew Golota 400 41 (33) - 7 (4) - 1
                      20 Taras *****ko 395 26 (12) - 2 (1) - 0

                      Hey! Waddya know? That pesky () again. This time they did something REALLY neat and put after the losses too!

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