For all the Roy Jones haters

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For all the people who say "he hasn't fought anybody." The famous book The Art of War states "A great fighter not only wins, but excels at winning with ease."

Lets take a look at Roy's career and highlights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jones,_Jr.

- former world welterweight champion Jorge Vaca with 1st KO.

- unbelievable combinations against the best fighter he had ever faced at the time Percy Harris (including 4 left hooks in under a second)

- KOed

- UD against a prime hall of famer Bernard Hopkins with a broken right hand

- KOed Thomas Tate in 2 rounds. The same man who went 12 rounds with hard punching Julian Jackson.

- had the fastest KO in super middleweight history against Antonie Byrd.

- TKOed Tony Thornton with a 20 to 30 punch combo.

- become the first athlete to compete in two paid professional sporting events in one day. Played semi-pro basketball, then KOed future world champion Eric Lucas in round 11.

- KOed the toughest man in boxing at the time "chin of stone" Merqui Sosa in round two.

- KOed former lightweight and junior middleweight champion Vinny Pazienza in round six. including a round where he went the whole round without getting him. That doesn't happen in professional boxing.

- UD against a crafty veteran hall of famer Mike McCallum. I know many of you are saying McCallum was 39, but he is one of those fighters that aren't defined by age, because he fights with his brain, like Bernard Hopkins.

- revenged his first professional loss against Montell Griffin with a stunning 1st round KO.

- KOed Virgil Hill with a single body shot.

- KOed former middleweight champion Otis Grant in 10 rounds.

- knocks down light heavyweight champion Reggie Johnson in the 1st minute of the fight. A fighter who had never been floored before.

- totally outclassing David Telesco, a top light heavy, with a fractured left wrist.

- UD against future world champion Julio César González.

- # 1 contender and undefeated Glen Kelly with legendary Jeff Fenech, gets dominated then KOed with a "no hands" knockout.

- #1 contender and former IBF champion Clinton Woods gets battered for 6 rounds by get KOed. Tarver had to work hard to win a 12 round decision.

- Roy becomes the 1st former middleweight champion to win a legimate heavyweight title in 106 years. Some people say it was a hand picked fight. Even if it was,
Ruiz was the 1st hispanic heavyweight champion who won his title by beating Evander Holyfield twice, including a KO. I mean the man KOed Holyfield, that deserves some respect. And Roy made it look so easy, hitting him at will, and making him miss. When Roy got hit, he looked at Ruiz like "thats all you got."

- made even more history by coming back down to light heavyweight by losing over 20 lbs of muscle to beat Tarver while being extremely dehydrated.

to be continued ....

man

1) be accurate

2) dont make ridiculous claims on fights which did not happen

by failing on 1) and 2) you are giving more fuel to haters

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Let's put things in perspective here, Jones is not and never will be superman but he is one of the greatest fighters ever period. His loss against griffin was a ****** mistake by him and he avenged it in style, the other losses to tarver and johnson were only a result of him dropping back down from heavyweight which really affected him. Jones could of beat both of them on the same night.

Am I saying he is unbeatable, No far from it, but give the man credit he had everything and his achievments won't be matched for a very long time.

[Jim Jeffries]

Let's put things in perspective here, Jones is not and never will be superman but he is one of the greatest fighters ever period. His loss against griffin was a ****** mistake by him and he avenged it in style, the other losses to tarver and johnson were only a result of him dropping back down from heavyweight which really affected him. Jones could of beat both of them on the same night.

Am I saying he is unbeatable, No far from it, but give the man credit he had everything and his achievments won't be matched for a very long time.

Don't forget that Roy was also 35 years old when he lost to Tarver and Johnson, and at that point his exceptional speed and reflexes had slowed enough to get caught. Neither of those guys would have touched him 5 years earlier.

[norma1250]

Don't forget that Roy was also 35 years old when he lost to Tarver and Johnson, and at that point his exceptional speed and reflexes had slowed enough to get caught. Neither of those guys would have touched him 5 years earlier.

THANK YOU, SOMEBODY WITH A BRAIN!

[1g5a22]

For some reason, Jones has a following that makes people believe he can do anything. People have him stopping all time great heavyweights, outpointing Ali, etc. He was beatable at any weight he fought at, as is any fighter.

wel said,i know a lot of americans worship this guy,but i wouldnt put him in my p4p top 20!!

a lots made of the multi weight champion thing and dont get me wrong im a fan, but for me the hype outweighs the man he didnt impress me at LHW(tarver,johnson etc)and the heavyweight thing was a joke

he roided up to take on a (just above average) heavyweight and yes he clearly won but it was one guy!

at SMW and MW he is undoubtedly great,a great modern day fighter but an all time p4p great,naahhhh
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IM NOT A HATER,JUST A REALIST.

[AKATheMack]

Roy is one of my all time favorites no doubt a guy that size with that speed was incredible, but like was said he could have been beaten if he fought the guys he didnt but he didnt so no need to argue about it. Why does everyone have to go over the top one way or the other (Hes a bum, he could beat any fighter who ever lived etc.) I dont think he would have gotten beaten in his prime if he stayed at 175 or under but to consider him a legitimate heavyweight is a bit ridiculous. I think Byrd and Holyfield he would have given trouble but a giant like Bowe,Lewis,Klitschko would have taken him apart there are weight divisions for a reason. I also very seiously doubt he could have ever beaten Tyson, Tyson has fast hands would put him on the ropes and throw combos all Roy could do would be to cover up. I consider him an ATG but there have been dozens of heavyweights since Roy turned pro who would have destroyed him.

[NeXt In Line]

Yeah he definately did NOT fight a Prime Hopkins, that's for sure, but if you ask me I think if they did fight in their primes Roy still would have won fairly easy, especially if it was in like 2002 during the infamous "60/40" argument.

[norma1250]

Calzaghe has this with a 112 second Knockout of Mario Veit.

it was at that time!

[sL0]

When Roy was cheated at the Olympics he was quoted as saying," he wasn't going to let the judges take another fight away from him." He lived up to that and then .... He saw what happened to G. Mac. I believe after he saw what happened to G Mac he became a little gun-shy. To say Griffin gave Roy a tough fight is ridiculous. Go to boxingrec and look him up. He has some good quality wins and Jones was playing with him until he got disqualified. We all wanted to see what would happen if he gave a fight his all. Well, he ****in destroyed Griffin. Roy was an amazing fighter, even the haters have to give him that. He did things that weren't supposed to be done. As far as being on the ropes if you watch his fights, in his prime, he would throw combo flurries off the ropes. He was a good inside fighter: hooks and uppercuts off the ropes. He had the greatest potential and we really only got to see bits and pieces, flashes of what could have been a top 3 fighter all-time.

[TheGreatA]

To say Griffin gave Roy a tough fight is ridiculous. Go to boxingrec and look him up. He has some good quality wins and Jones was playing with him until he got disqualified. We all wanted to see what would happen if he gave a fight his all. Well, he ****in destroyed Griffin.

Playing with him?
I'm sure he willingly took about 20 looping left hooks flush on his face... No, Jones did not 'play' with Griffin, he did what he usually does in his fights.

It did not work very well against the crafty Griffin who had studied RJJ's style, so in their rematch Roy changed up his usual, cautious counter punching style, came out more aggressive, walked through Griffin's punches and threw wide punches hoping to catch Griffin early.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ft05fq3kcXE
Jones vs Griffin I

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eqV6FgjrqPI
Jones vs Griffin II

What if Roy Jones came out that way against, for example, Gerald McClellan or Julian Jackson?

Look at the punches Jones takes when coming in at 1:00 in the Griffin rematch and imagine them coming from a power puncher. What worked against an unorthodox and experienced but also a chinny and relatively feather-fisted 5'7 opponent would not necessarily work against different opponents.