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  • For all the Roy Jones haters

    For all the people who say "he hasn't fought anybody." The famous book The Art of War states "A great fighter not only wins, but excels at winning with ease."

    Lets take a look at Roy's career and highlights

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jones,_Jr.

    - former world welterweight champion Jorge Vaca with 1st KO.

    - unbelievable combinations against the best fighter he had ever faced at the time Percy Harris (including 4 left hooks in under a second)

    - KOed

    - UD against a prime hall of famer Bernard Hopkins with a broken right hand

    - KOed Thomas Tate in 2 rounds. The same man who went 12 rounds with hard punching Julian Jackson.

    - had the fastest KO in super middleweight history against Antonie Byrd.

    - TKOed Tony Thornton with a 20 to 30 punch combo.

    - become the first athlete to compete in two paid professional sporting events in one day. Played semi-pro basketball, then KOed future world champion Eric Lucas in round 11.

    - KOed the toughest man in boxing at the time "chin of stone" Merqui Sosa in round two.

    - KOed former lightweight and junior middleweight champion Vinny Pazienza in round six. including a round where he went the whole round without getting him. That doesn't happen in professional boxing.

    - UD against a crafty veteran hall of famer Mike McCallum. I know many of you are saying McCallum was 39, but he is one of those fighters that aren't defined by age, because he fights with his brain, like Bernard Hopkins.

    - revenged his first professional loss against Montell Griffin with a stunning 1st round KO.

    - KOed Virgil Hill with a single body shot.

    - KOed former middleweight champion Otis Grant in 10 rounds.

    - knocks down light heavyweight champion Reggie Johnson in the 1st minute of the fight. A fighter who had never been floored before.

    - totally outclassing David Telesco, a top light heavy, with a fractured left wrist.

    - UD against future world champion Julio César González.

    - # 1 contender and undefeated Glen Kelly with legendary Jeff Fenech, gets dominated then KOed with a "no hands" knockout.

    - #1 contender and former IBF champion Clinton Woods gets battered for 6 rounds by get KOed. Tarver had to work hard to win a 12 round decision.

    - Roy becomes the 1st former middleweight champion to win a legimate heavyweight title in 106 years. Some people say it was a hand picked fight. Even if it was,
    Ruiz was the 1st hispanic heavyweight champion who won his title by beating Evander Holyfield twice, including a KO. I mean the man KOed Holyfield, that deserves some respect. And Roy made it look so easy, hitting him at will, and making him miss. When Roy got hit, he looked at Ruiz like "thats all you got."

    - made even more history by coming back down to light heavyweight by losing over 20 lbs of muscle to beat Tarver while being extremely dehydrated.

    to be continued ....

  • #2
    he fought some great opopnets, its the opponets he refused to fight that makes him look bad, followed by being ko'd, and thinking, what if he had fought the fighters he didn't want to fight, what if they landed on Roy? hmmm

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    • #3
      OK .... McClellan .... he beat Roy in the amateurs, but look at his performances against Julian Jackson and Nigel Benn. Roy by UD or TKO. And by the way, Roy would KO Jackson, and probably split decision or UD Benn, although Jones vs. Benn at Super Middleweight would be interesting.

      Dariusz who .... Roy by TKO

      Jones vs Hopkins II in 2002, Roy by UD

      Jones vs Trinidad in 2002, Roy by TKO or UD

      some people might think i'm crazy but look at how Lennox Lewis looked against Klitschko. Even Jim Lampley from HBO said he thought Roy could beat Lewis the way he looked in his last fight.

      Roy would have KOed or TKOed Chris Byrd.

      Roy would have TKOed Tyson in 2003

      Roy would have UD Holyfield.

      who else???

      look at this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qRpl-LsH2qM

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      • #4
        also how could forget he destroyed the pound 4 pound best fighter in boxing at that time James Toney in 1994. Roy was considered the underdog.

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        • #5
          - UD against a prime hall of famer Bernard Hopkins with a broken right hand
          Neither fighter was in their prime. Hopkins had been active as a pro for 3 years and hadn't fought any top opposition.

          - KOed former lightweight and junior middleweight champion Vinny Pazienza in round six. including a round where he went the whole round without getting him. That doesn't happen in professional boxing.
          He wasn't hit because he was fighting a former lightweight champion of the world who had no intentions to actually win the fight, just to go the distance.

          Even Kelly Pavlik went a round without getting hit against a grossly overmatched opponent.

          - UD against a crafty veteran hall of famer Mike McCallum. I know many of you are saying McCallum was 39, but he is one of those fighters that aren't defined by age, because he fights with his brain, like Bernard Hopkins.
          I guess McCallum in his prime (which was in the LMW division, not the LHW division) would've lost to Fabrice Tiozzo like he did right before facing Roy Jones.

          - knocks down light heavyweight champion Reggie Johnson in the 1st minute of the fight. A fighter who had never been floored before.
          Except two times.

          - #1 contender and former IBF champion Clinton Woods gets battered for 6 rounds by get KOed. Tarver had to work hard to win a 12 round decision.
          If you think working a heavy bag (which Clinton Woods was against Tarver) is hard work in your opinion then yes.

          Originally posted by norma1250 View Post
          probably split decision or UD Benn, although Jones vs. Benn at Super Middleweight would be interesting.
          So he would beat all those other guys easily (even KO Chris Byrd, something 250 lb heavyweights have trouble doing) but he can barely win a decision over Nigel Benn of all people?

          Saying it doesn't matter whether he fought those guys or not because he would beat them is an excuse. IMO he could beat them but it's not set in stone.

          Your man Roy Jones had flaws and he could be beaten. Griffin, Tarver and Johnson (prime or not) all had success against Jones because they put him on the ropes and outworked him. He also did not like fighting southpaws.

          Prime Jones could more than make up for that but to think he would have any success against someone like Lennox Lewis...
          Even the Lewis who fought Vitali landed some bombs on Vitali that would've put Roy Jones to sleep.

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=ft05fq3kcXE

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=1KxTfWUfFZ0

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=ms2Zo86NDaY

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=eOzO6D9stnQ

          EDIT: Also Gerald McClellan defeated Roy Jones in the amateurs by putting him against the ropes and outworking him.
          Last edited by TheGreatA; 05-02-2008, 03:09 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by norma1250 View Post
            had the fastest KO in super middleweight history against Antonie Byrd.
            Calzaghe has this with a 112 second Knockout of Mario Veit.

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            • #7
              Roy is the man.

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              • #8
                Roy was amazing in his prime and has a good argument for being the best pound for pound fighter in the world for 10 years straight 1993-2003.

                Its true that the critics at times may have had De La Hoya and Mosley ahead, but for me, Roy was the man!

                Mayweather has been great for the last few years, but hes never been quite as electric as Jones, I think its because Floyd throws fewer combinations.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheManchine View Post
                  Neither fighter was in their prime. Hopkins had been active as a pro for 3 years and hadn't fought any top opposition.



                  He wasn't hit because he was fighting a former lightweight champion of the world who had no intentions to actually win the fight, just to go the distance.

                  Even Kelly Pavlik went a round without getting hit against a grossly overmatched opponent.



                  I guess McCallum in his prime (which was in the LMW division, not the LHW division) would've lost to Fabrice Tiozzo like he did right before facing Roy Jones.



                  Except two times.



                  If you think working a heavy bag (which Clinton Woods was against Tarver) is hard work in your opinion then yes.



                  So he would beat all those other guys easily (even KO Chris Byrd, something 250 lb heavyweights have trouble doing) but he can barely win a decision over Nigel Benn of all people?

                  Saying it doesn't matter whether he fought those guys or not because he would beat them is an excuse. IMO he could beat them but it's not set in stone.

                  Your man Roy Jones had flaws and he could be beaten. Griffin, Tarver and Johnson (prime or not) all had success against Jones because they put him on the ropes and outworked him. He also did not like fighting southpaws.

                  Prime Jones could more than make up for that but to think he would have any success against someone like Lennox Lewis...
                  Even the Lewis who fought Vitali landed some bombs on Vitali that would've put Roy Jones to sleep.

                  http://youtube.com/watch?v=ft05fq3kcXE

                  http://youtube.com/watch?v=1KxTfWUfFZ0

                  http://youtube.com/watch?v=ms2Zo86NDaY

                  http://youtube.com/watch?v=eOzO6D9stnQ

                  EDIT: Also Gerald McClellan defeated Roy Jones in the amateurs by putting him against the ropes and outworking him.

                  For some reason, Jones has a following that makes people believe he can do anything. People have him stopping all time great heavyweights, outpointing Ali, etc. He was beatable at any weight he fought at, as is any fighter.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TheManchine View Post
                    Neither fighter was in their prime. Hopkins had been active as a pro for 3 years and hadn't fought any top opposition.



                    He wasn't hit because he was fighting a former lightweight champion of the world who had no intentions to actually win the fight, just to go the distance.

                    Even Kelly Pavlik went a round without getting hit against a grossly overmatched opponent.



                    I guess McCallum in his prime (which was in the LMW division, not the LHW division) would've lost to Fabrice Tiozzo like he did right before facing Roy Jones.



                    Except two times.



                    If you think working a heavy bag (which Clinton Woods was against Tarver) is hard work in your opinion then yes.



                    So he would beat all those other guys easily (even KO Chris Byrd, something 250 lb heavyweights have trouble doing) but he can barely win a decision over Nigel Benn of all people?

                    Saying it doesn't matter whether he fought those guys or not because he would beat them is an excuse. IMO he could beat them but it's not set in stone.

                    Your man Roy Jones had flaws and he could be beaten. Griffin, Tarver and Johnson (prime or not) all had success against Jones because they put him on the ropes and outworked him. He also did not like fighting southpaws.

                    Prime Jones could more than make up for that but to think he would have any success against someone like Lennox Lewis...
                    Even the Lewis who fought Vitali landed some bombs on Vitali that would've put Roy Jones to sleep.

                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ft05fq3kcXE

                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=1KxTfWUfFZ0

                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ms2Zo86NDaY

                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=eOzO6D9stnQ

                    EDIT: Also Gerald McClellan defeated Roy Jones in the amateurs by putting him against the ropes and outworking him.

                    yeah a lot of that **** wasn't accurate.. and he didnt KO eric Lucas... it was stopped on cuts.

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