RJJ vs Ezzard Charles LHW Title who wins?

[wmute]

with a match-up like this, the #1 thing to look at is styles... styles makes fights... charles back then was a killer for other people who would stand there and trade with him.. if you stood there and traded you were done for... we all know rjj isnt standing anywhere and trading, until he knows he can... i say if charles LITERALLY stepped in the ring with rjj... hed be a deer in head lights.... it would be SRL vs Duran all over again.... "**** this im outta here".., no not literally but... a fighter with a style like charles, who is used to fighting other fighters of that time period, would have never seen a fighter like jones... wouldnt know what to do... too fast... charles would come , and roy would be gone.... roy on the other hand, altho maybe not seeing the EXACT fighter of charles' capability... he has seen charles' style before.. and he has beat it

rjj ud

and everyone on this forum is entitled to an opinion... especially on a fight that never and WILL never take place... so dont start adding people to your ignore list because there disagreences... its a boxing forum, people have their own opinions on everything

Charles beat the "sweetest" boxers from the era AND the brawlers, too.

Jersey Joe Walcott does not "stand and trade". Burley and Moore do not stand and trade (Moore sometims had to, in his 40s). Bivins was a defensive, negative fighter, he was well known for not standing and trading (and this was most likely what cost him a shot at Louis).

If anything the one who's seen it all is the guy with a 100 fights, not the guy with 50.

So if I believe people live in on the sun, ok? it's an opinion, no one has been on the sun to check, so its legit, right? This going by your logic. When I see bull**** posted I feel very free, to not want to read it again. This is what the ignore list was made for.

[THE REED]

please by all means ignore me... i cant stand people who think there right 100% on a topic that cant be proven...

[wmute]

please by all means ignore me... i cant stand people who think there right 100% on a topic that cant be proven...

Funny that you pick Roy ud with a pic of Roy in your avatar, isn't it?

Funny that you would say something wildly inaccurate to back up your boy like Charles shining with those who stood and traded with him, but no being ready for other styles, isn't it?

I use an ignore list mostly for fanboys like you, so your invitation is most welcome.

[THE REED]

oh how dare i come to a boxing forum with a favorite boxer...

get a life... i always particiapte in roy vs whoever debates.... and half the time i have roy losing... but not on this one...

roy would dance circles around him.... ignore me already

[StarshipTrooper]

Charles beat the "sweetest" boxers from the era AND the brawlers, too.

Jersey Joe Walcott does not "stand and trade". Burley and Moore do not stand and trade (Moore sometims had to, in his 40s). Bivins was a defensive, negative fighter, he was well known for not standing and trading (and this was most likely what cost him a shot at Louis).

If anything the one who's seen it all is the guy with a 100 fights, not the guy with 50.

So if I believe people live in on the sun, ok? it's an opinion, no one has been on the sun to check, so its legit, right? This going by your logic. When I see bull**** posted I feel very free, to not want to read it again. This is what the ignore list was made for.

I do believe wmute has earned a ticket off my own ignore list. Your posts, Sir, have been logical and well reasoned. Spot on. I now go to adjust my signature.

Poet

[Sweet Pete]

I understand that, but the viewer should know that he is seeing Jones murdering middleweights-lightheavyweights and Charles knocking out heavyweights.

Say I show you highlights of Calderon and highlights of Jermain Taylor. Taylor surely looks worse, but he is 50 pounds heavier.

At LHW they are roughly the same size.

[Smokin__]

Anybody who says Roy Jones is a moron (that includes you, Sweet Pete).

Roy is quite possibly the greatest athlete boxing has ever seen.

But he was a gimmick.

Ezzard Charles at his zenith as I always say, is the epitome of a professional destroyer, no one that ko's Bob Satterfield in 2 like the Cobra did or Ko's Archie Moore, has to worry about anybody.

He was the absolute greatest at 175, greatest amateur and greatest pro, a gentle decent clean living human being who after the death of Sam Baroudi was deeply affected and saw his killer instinct disappear.

In this fight, Ezzard breaks up Roy to the head and body, walks through his shots, gets his hair messed up a bit with hard jabs and power shots but gives much more relentless damage until his speed, ring savy, left hooks and right hands take it's toll.

[cuzfozzy]

dem was real fighters back then .. the fighters today
just run ... you can run but you can't hide

[Drdatabox]

I just ran a quick 100 bouts using Data Boxing PC, with both at 175, and at their best.
Charles- Jones 72-23-5; Ks 2-9, Ts 0-0, main trend Wu 64-13, Ws 4-1, Wm 2-0, no significant Ns, Cuts, or Injs, Rds W 60-40%.
It should be noted, that Data Boxing is a research project that has done independent research since 1967. It maintains a constantly revised ranking of the top boxers in the eight historical divisions. That LH ranking currently has Charles as #1, slightly edging out Tunney. Jones is #4. Data Boxing has independently agreed with IBRO( Independent Boxing Research Organization) on #1 in six of the eight divisions. The LHs is one division of disagreement, where they have Moore first. Moore is currently #7 in Data Boxing's LHs, where the ranking is quite volatile among the top six. The other four are Spinks, Greb, Foster and T. Gibbons. It is the TRUE division of great boxers, with the lowest stop% of all the weight divisions. Putting any of the top six, in against another, assures one of 15 rounds of pure boxing enjoyment. I wish all of you could experience this replay enjoyment, using Data Boxing, or some other quality PC/game experience. One of my most memorable game moments was a Tunney-Greb set of 100 bouts, that went 33-33-34. I don't expect to see that again, for a long time.

[TheGreatA]

dem was real fighters back then .. the fighters today
just run ... you can run but you can't hide

back in da day john sullivan went to da nearest pub after a fight and whipped evry sonuvabitch in da house, dem was real fighters back den