RJJ vs Ezzard Charles LHW Title who wins?

[cuzfozzy]

robinson and lamotta , now dem was real fighters.

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If the fight was held in Charles' era i would give it to Jones. Charles was not the kind of swarming fighter that really gives Roy problems, (or I should say, a post prime Roy problems) he was more a boxer puncher. Roy could pretty much pot shot and then hold, and do so all night with those old fashioned referees with not much of a warning. How is Charles ever going to catch him?

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If the fight was held in Charles' era i would give it to Jones. Charles was not the kind of swarming fighter that really gives Roy problems, (or I should say, a post prime Roy problems) he was more a boxer puncher. Roy could pretty much pot shot and then hold, and do so all night with those old fashioned referees with not much of a warning. How is Charles ever going to catch him?

What makes you think that the smaller Jones would find a way to hold, when it's NEVER been his game. Charles on the other hand was used to fight in clinches (and knock out his oppoents).

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At LHW they are roughly the same size.

Charles is the bigger man. period. Maybe not by much, but he definitely is.

Charles had a bigger frame. Jones was never a big 175 fighter, hence why I pick his prime to be at 168. Charles was a big 175er, in fact he was soon fighting HWs.

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What makes you think that the smaller Jones would find a way to hold, when it's NEVER been his game. Charles on the other hand was used to fight in clinches (and knock out his oppoents).

Jones tied up, he just didn't do it for long at any given time. I'm not talking about fighting in the clinch. Charles fought fighters in clinches who were also trying to hit him back (which gives him the opportunity to hit them and knock them out), not ones trying to avoid a brawl through clinching and breaking up so they can set up to punch again from a distance. Anyway, I think this would not play the major role that it would against a swarmer because Charles was at heart a boxer. In that case he just dosen't have the speed for Jones. Every time he misses there is an opening for Jones. Everytime he stands still there is an opening for Jones. But I have to say one thing, given Jones' chin, a Charles knockout is never out of the question.

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Jones tied up, he just didn't do it for long at any given time. Charles fought fighters in clinches who were also trying to hit him back (which gives him the opportunity to hit them and knock them out), not ones trying to avoid a brawl through clinching and breaking up so they can set up to punch again from a distance. Anyway, I think this would not play the major role that it would against a swarmer because Charles was at heart a boxer. In that case he just dosen't have the speed for Jones. Every time he misses there is an opening for Jones. Everytime he stands still there is an opening for Jones. But I have to say one thing, given Jones' chin, a Charles knockout is never out of the question.

It is true that Jones only superior asset in this fight is his speed.

Unfortunately Charles is not a slow fighter, he has much better fundamentals than Jones, and straight punches arrive earlier than looping punches.

And I still dont see how Jones being smaller is going to keep punishment off him by clinching the bigger man. He would get headbutted and elbowed in the clinches, until Charles breaks free and lands something.

Jones best bet would use his fast footwork and try to stay off of harm's way for 12 rounds. TWO problems with this approach.

1) Straight punches. It's hard to pot shot against a stiff, accurate jab.
2) He might end up losing the decision if he just stayed at a distance.

[StarshipTrooper]

It is true that Jones only superior asset in this fight is his speed.

Unfortunately Charles is not a slow fighter, he has much better fundamentals than Jones, and straight punches arrive earlier than looping punches.

Unfortunately a handful of people posting on these threads think if the fighter was filmed in black and white he was automatically slow and clumsy. Not an accurate assesment, but unfortunately one that is believed by at least a few (you know who you are).

Poet

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Anybody who says Roy Jones is a moron (that includes you, Sweet Pete).

Roy is quite possibly the greatest athlete boxing has ever seen.

But he was a gimmick.

we all have opinions on what would happen in a fight between two completely different fighters in two completely different era's... and no one person is right, its impossible to prove who would win in a fight that never and will never take place...

but calling an 8 time world champion a gimmick... is

if he was a gimmick... it would of been another fighter in this thread being compared to charles, not roy.

[StarshipTrooper]

I picked Charles but Jones' speed and power are always going to give him a fighting chance with anyone he steps in the ring with. Charles should win but if they fought a series as was common back then I doubt Jones would get shut out. On any given night you never know!

Poet

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It is true that Jones only superior asset in this fight is his speed.

Unfortunately Charles is not a slow fighter, he has much better fundamentals than Jones, and straight punches arrive earlier than looping punches.

And I still dont see how Jones being smaller is going to keep punishment off him by clinching the bigger man. He would get headbutted and elbowed in the clinches, until Charles breaks free and lands something.

Jones best bet would use his fast footwork and try to stay off of harm's way for 12 rounds. TWO problems with this approach.

1) Straight punches. It's hard to pot shot against a stiff, accurate jab.
2) He might end up losing the decision if he just stayed at a distance.

Well slow is relative. I know that Charles is not a slow fighter in general, but we are talking about versus Roy Jones. Here he will be slow, relatively speaking. Jones has distance that is better than Charles' jab with his hooks because they are leaping hooks. As for his ability to land them on Charles, he has landed them repeatedly on fighters as defensively slick as James Toney. Roy also had excellent defense against the jab because of his two armed defense that was perpetually out far in front of his head at different distances, enabled by his very wide stance. Ofcourse he hasn't faced a Charles jab, but jabs have not been very effective against his style. Charles would have height to assist his attempt to get the jab through though.