Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano

[Mike Tyson77]

Buster Douglas used the weakness he displayed in every other fight, put it together and knocked him out. I'm sorry, but truthfully, what you are saying seems just like another excuse. Don't use the Douglas fight because he wasn't in his prime? I don't see the logic. Sorry.

However what you are alleging is that althought Tyson was in his physical prime, but because he wasn't in the game mentally, it shouldn't be counted as a prime loss?

So because Lennox Lewis got knocked out by Rahman, because his mind wasn't in it as he himself stated, he was out of his prime? Yet, the very next fight, when his mind was in the fight and he won, he was in his prime again?

Maybe I'm missing your point, but what you're saying equates to the above equation.

So you think the same Tyson that unifyed the belts in 87' would also lose to Douglas???

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

A fighter's prime should be longer than 1 year to be considered any type of great, would you agree?

Not when comparing how one would have done against the other. But, I'll admit just the fact that Tysons prime was so short lived, his career is out done by lesser fighters.

[Hawkins]

So you think the same Tyson that unifyed the belts in 87' would also lose to Douglas???

That wasn't my point. My point was you can't just say Tyson wasn't in his prime because his head wasn't in the fight. He insinuated that you couldn't use that weakness against Tyson I disagree. It points to a lack of mental toughness.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Buster Douglas used the weakness he displayed in every other fight, put it together and knocked him out. I'm sorry, but truthfully, what you are saying seems just like another excuse. Don't use the Douglas fight because he wasn't in his prime? I don't see the logic. Sorry.

However what you are alleging is that althought Tyson was in his physical prime, but because he wasn't in the game mentally, it shouldn't be counted as a prime loss?

So because Lennox Lewis got knocked out by Rahman, because his mind wasn't in it as he himself stated, he was out of his prime? Yet, the very next fight, when his mind was in the fight and he won, he was in his prime again?

Maybe I'm missing your point, but what you're saying equates to the above equation.

We will probably always disagree here. You consider a prime a time frame. I consider it when the fighter was fighting at his best. You consider it when there at their best physically, going by age. I'm saying it has just as much to do with mentally than physically. There is a human factor involved that you are not taking into consideration. Until you do, you'll never truly understand the sport of boxing. lol

[Hawkins]

We will probably always disagree here. You consider a prime a time frame. I consider it when the fighter was fighting at his best. You consider it when there at their best physically, going by age. I'm saying it has just as much to do with mentally than physically. There is a human factor involved that you are not taking into consideration. Until you do, you'll never truly understand the sport of boxing. lol

What your saying doesn't make sense. Going by what you say, someone can come in and out of their prime depending on the frame of mind they are in for a particular fight. Your mental approach is alot different than the physical. Once its gone physically it's gone but you can regain the mental aspect.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

That wasn't my point. My point was you can't just say Tyson wasn't in his prime because his head wasn't in the fight. He insinuated that you couldn't use that weakness against Tyson I disagree. It points to a lack of mental toughness.

That frame of mind he was in during that fight was no where to be seen in other fights when he was on top of his game. You are adding a weakness that came after the fact to further your cause, which is a lack of good boxing knowledge on your part. lol

[Hawkins]

That frame of mind he was in during that fight was no where to be seen in other fights when he was on top of his game. You are adding a weakness that came after the fact to further your cause, which is a lack of good boxing knowledge on your part. lol

A weakness that came after the fact? My boy, if Tyson was that mentally unstable it was there all along.

BTW You never answered my question. You sidestepped it.

I'll give you a better analogy. What if Tyson had gone back to Rooney after the Douglas fight and regained his prior form. Would that indicate he was 'prime' Tyson again?

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

What your saying doesn't make sense. Going by what you say, someone can come in and out of their prime depending on the frame of mind they are in for a particular fight.

What is it about that, that doesn't make sense? Wouldn't you agree a fighter in his prime has it together mentally and physically? But more importantly, you need explain what you consider a prime. A period in time? A certain age? What? Please explain so I can thoroughly dissect your definition of prime and use it against you like your trying to use mine against me. lol

Your mental approach is alot different than the physical.

That's because they are two totally different things.

[Hawkins]

What is it about that, that doesn't make sense? Wouldn't you agree a fighter in his prime has it together mentally and physically? But more importantly, you need explain what you consider a prime. A period in time? A certain age? What? Please explain so I can thoroughly dissect your definition of prime and use it against you like your trying to use mine against me. lol


That's because they are two totally different things.

What is an athletes prime? Its the years in an athletes life where their body is at its physical peak. Peak reflexes, peak reaction times peak recovery etc.
It's generally between the ages of 22 - 28 I believe.

On a sidenote, I'm not trying to use it against you I'm trying to understand exactly what the hell you're saying LOL

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

A weakness that came after the fact? My boy, if Tyson was that mentally unstable it was there all along.

But we're talking about how he was at his best, not how he came in during the Douglas fight. Comparing the Tyson from the Douglas fight against other fighters, is like comparing the Ali that fought Mathis against Foreman. Howard Cosell did that and was dead wrong when Ali knocked out foreman. Are you seeing the light yet? How many great points must I make before it sinks in? LOL (you know I'm playin)

BTW You never answered my question. You sidestepped it.

What question, I'm trying to answer them all. Sidestep my ass. lol

I'll give you a better analogy. What if Tyson had gone back to Rooney after the Douglas fight and regained his prior form. Would that indicate he was 'prime' Tyson again?

Yeah, if he was completely back. But what the heck are you getting at? lol