Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[BKM-]

Good points brought up. Tyson was never the same after prison, not after Douglass. I always believed this, and he did look much better after Douglass. It was probably his age that allowed him to take a bad beating, and still be the same after it.
And Yogi, good point about Tyson's physique after and in prison. I think you're right, he definitely worked out a lot and this made him look so muscular and ripped against McNeely. There is a misunderstanding about Tyson being on steroids. Sabbath could learn from this.

[SABBATH]

There is a misunderstanding about Tyson being on steroids. Sabbath could learn from this.

Jesus ****. I rarely ever post here anymore and I'm still getting ****** into threads.

If anyone thinks heavyweights aren't cranking these days your heads are in the sands. James Toney for God's sake is testing positive. Vitali Klitschko was caught in the amateurs, Roy Jones has tested positive and Evander Holyfield is a given to name just a few. Take a look at Shannon Briggs. Sorry. Professional fighters don't suddenly baloon like that.

Tyson never had a moral dilemna regarding his conduct, nor his consumption of alcohol or drugs. What makes anyone think he would suddenly become righteous when it came to using a drug that would increase his lean muscle mass, strength and aggression? Maybe his erratic behaviour both in and out of the ring was in part from roid rage.

Tyson reportedly came out of prison weighing around 190 lbs. The loss of that much natural muscle mass doesn't jive, especially when he had likely never weighed that much since his teen years. The body plateaus in the late 20's, and a drop of that magnitude of natural lean muscle mass is unlikely.

And for the record before the fanboys jump all over me, this isn't a specific slam on Tyson. I'm sure many athletes from all sports are cranking.

[Brassangel]

It is good to see you back, Sabbath. Every time I return here the intelligent posters seem to dwindle and fade leaving a new class of fanboys.

[BKM-]

Jesus ****. I rarely ever post here anymore and I'm still getting ****** into threads.

If anyone thinks heavyweights aren't cranking these days your heads are in the sands. James Toney for God's sake is testing positive. Vitali Klitschko was caught in the amateurs, Roy Jones has tested positive and Evander Holyfield is a given to name just a few. Take a look at Shannon Briggs. Sorry. Professional fighters don't suddenly baloon like that.

Tyson never had a moral dilemna regarding his conduct, nor his consumption of alcohol or drugs. What makes anyone think he would suddenly become righteous when it came to using a drug that would increase his lean muscle mass, strength and aggression? Maybe his erratic behaviour both in and out of the ring was in part from roid rage.

Tyson reportedly came out of prison weighing around 190 lbs. The loss of that much natural muscle mass doesn't jive, especially when he had likely never weighed that much since his teen years. The body plateaus in the late 20's, and a drop of that magnitude of natural lean muscle mass is unlikely.

And for the record before the fanboys jump all over me, this isn't a specific slam on Tyson. I'm sure many athletes from all sports are cranking.

Perhaps it has to do with your past comments, but whatever. Atleast there's good potential of debates when people call each other out.

First off, we weren't talking about today's heavyweights. Tyson's return from prison was a good decade ago, and he didn't baloon. It makes perfect sence for a person with good genetics to reach his old weight, only with muscles that have a lot more definition. How? The answer to that is: Tyson never did weights in the 80s, not even before prison. But he did after prison.

So Yogi's post about Tyson working out hard in prison supports my argument. Other things like his decline in speed and accuracy of his punches also show this(I realise that also had to do with his lay off, though) because those are the side effects when you train like this. Lifting weights doesn't do any good in boxing other than build muscle.

The rest is speculation. I haven't seen any proof of him being 190lb in prison(I've seen the interview, and you couldn't tell exactly). Tyson is a genetic freak, it's not impossible for a guy like him(who trained religiously) to look muscular at 100 kilo's.

[Verstyle]

Perhaps it has to do with your past comments, but whatever. Atleast there's good potential of debates when people call each other out.

First off, we weren't talking about today's heavyweights. Tyson's return from prison was a good decade ago, and he didn't baloon. It makes perfect sence for a person with good genetics to reach his old weight, only with muscles that have a lot more definition. How? The answer to that is: Tyson never did weights in the 80s, not even before prison. But he did after prison.

So Yogi's post about Tyson working out hard in prison supports my argument. Other things like his decline in speed and accuracy of his punches also show this(I realise that also had to do with his lay off, though) because those are the side effects when you train like this. Lifting weights doesn't do any good in boxing other than build muscle.

The rest is speculation. I haven't seen any proof of him being 190lb in prison(I've seen the interview, and you couldn't tell exactly). Tyson is a genetic freak, it's not impossible for a guy like him(who trained religiously) to look muscular at 100 kilo's.

Its hard to explain to ppl that arnt familiar with it. I think I share the same genetic makeup in build as Tyson does. It doesnt take me awhile to get more built if I pleased to. It doesnt take me awhile to lose weight if I pleased to. In person Im a big guy,you cant tell from pics Ive had on the net. But like most ppl know,Im a guy that eats fast food at least 2 times a day everyday and doesnt run.Yet Im still in shape physically. Just gotta have it I guess.

[SABBATH]

I haven't seen any proof of him being 190lb in prison(I've seen the interview, and you couldn't tell exactly). Tyson is a genetic freak, it's not impossible for a guy like him(who trained religiously) to look muscular at 100 kilo's.

My concern is more the drop off of 30-40 lbs not what he looked like at 220 lbs. If you are natural then your body plateaus as you hit your late 20's, then you start having trouble keeping weight off, not retaining 30-40 lbs of lean muscle mass.

I'm naturally a heavyweight and haven't seen south of 210 since high school. I'm built very similar to Tyson but a little taller at 6'0. I've went through phases of training/not training/watching what I eat/not watching what I eat etc....and my weight floats between 220-250, and before you get visions of of Jabba The Hut I have 18 inch arms and a waist that only fluctuates between 32-36 inches.

I have seen roid users drop 30 lbs like it was nothing going off cycles, and it raises an eyebrow to me when Tyson allegedly did the same. I'm not making a flat out accusation just questioning.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Mike Quityson is not the greatest ever. That's all we have to worry about. You can make up a "what if" scenario for anybody.

[Yogi]

So Yogi's post about Tyson working out hard in prison supports my argument.

Well shoot, if that's the way you interpretated my post, Yaman, then perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough because my post was intended to show that Tyson was not only physically fit (in the "lean" sort of way), but had also reduced his overall size down to about 200 or so when he came out.

I think I also threw something in there about how people became su****ious of Tyson & steroids because he went from a physically fit 200 (apx) pound man when he came out of prison, to a muscular 220 when he faced McNeeley, which all happened in a span of something like four or five months.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Yogi]

Here's another way of saying it;

"It was not only Tyson's fortune that shrank. The man who walked free from prison looked a shadow of the 238-pound colossus who was handcuffed and led away to the cells in March 1992. He had kept himself fit in the prison gymnasium with daily workouts, but the awesome physique that used to promote fear in his opponents was much reduced. This led to the anti-Tyson brigade dragging up old allegations that he owed his enormous physical presence to steroids, and that the effect had worn off."

"By the time he climbed back into the ring against McNeeley the awesome 'Iron Mike' shape was back, and people on the outside looking in wondered how he had managed the transformation in such quick time."

Just a couple quick quotes from 'Mike Tyson: The Release of Power'.

[Poet682006]

Of course, as Tyson told the Arizona state trooper: "I love smokin' weed and snortin' coke" ROFLMAO!

Poet