How would a young Mike Tyson fair against the real big heavyweights of today.

[The Old LefHook]

Of course Tyson crushes Wilder quickly, before his own nuts can even be tested. Wilder has almost no skill and will have no clue how to land his big punches on Tyson or defend himself against a tornado. This one is really obvious, lads. The clincher is that Rusty is arguing the other way. That is your cue, your pointer to truth. Rusty's vote makes it almost a cinch that Tyson wins by rapidly demolishing the weak scrub who has not a single skill but a hard, sloppy punch.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Of course Tyson crushes Wilder quickly, before his own nuts can even be tested. Wilder has almost no skill and will have no clue how to land his big punches on Tyson or defend himself against a tornado. This one is really obvious, lads. The clincher is that Rusty is arguing the other way. That is your cue, your pointer to truth. Rusty's vote makes it almost a cinch that Tyson wins by rapidly demolishing the weak scrub who has not a single skill but a hard, sloppy punch.

So he bombs out Breazeale in one round, stops Ortiz TWICE, and damn near kills Fury, but the guy who went the distance with Tucker and was STOPPED by Douglas puts him away quickly!?

I am the only one here referencing facts - con****uous ones, at that (their careers, and disparity in size). The rest of you are engaging in nostaliga. There hasn't been a single reference to an opponent Tyson beat who was on Wilder's level, while Wilder has showcased his power and resolve against a cast of giants.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Bruh fury aint even a puncher he still dropped and may have possibly given wilder brain damage.

Tyson totally dominated Mitch Green, who could suprisingly endure alot of punishment (due to his clinching tactics), but watch both Tyson-Ruddock fights, and the Tyson-Lewis fight, where he took bomb after bomb and still kept coming, despite being shot in the lewis fight.

Lewis was stopped by McCall and Rahman and beat them in their rematches. Holyfield was old but was still outboxed by lennox in their first fight and second fight. Lennox abandonend his typical jab strategy and chose to brawl with mercer, who was a brawler. How did he avoid Prime Tyson when he wasnt even a pro when Tyson was in his prime? Please never compare wilder with the likes of Tyson, Lennox, or Holyfield, these 3 ducked nobody and fought the best in their era. Holyfield, a CRUISERWEIGHT, moved a whole division up to fight tyson, not the other way around.

Wilder should learn to properly box and stop making excuses and he will be better, calling his trainer disloyal when his trainer saved his life that night.

None of those fighters hit anywhere near as hard as Wilder.

Douglas certainly didn't.


If skill mattered so much, why didn't Julio Cesar Chavez make the jump to Heavyweight and clean out the whole division, Tyson included? Why do weight divisions even exist!?

Usyk is much more skilled than Tyson. He stopped Witherspoon faster than he had any of his Cruiserweight title challengers, he pitched a shutout against Chisora .... and STILL people are saying he's too small for Heavyweight. Who in Tyson's era (or any other) fought like Usyk does!?!?

I get it, Usyk might still defeat Wilder - we just don't know. And Tyson was a pre-VADA fighter who applied offense much more heavily than Usyk does. But the facts remain, Wilder has STOPPED all but one of his 40 opponents - and even then came close. Tyson fought comparative pipsqueaks and couldn't put up those numbers.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I wonder if people picking Tyson would pick Duran to beat Hearns if that fight had never happened.

Probably they pick Aaron Pryor to beat Julian Jackson. And Pacquiao to beat John Mugabi.

[thebrownbomber_]

None of those fighters hit anywhere near as hard as Wilder.

Douglas certainly didn't.


If skill mattered so much, why didn't Julio Cesar Chavez make the jump to Heavyweight and clean out the whole division, Tyson included? Why do weight divisions even exist!?

Usyk is much more skilled than Tyson. He stopped Witherspoon faster than he had any of his Cruiserweight title challengers, he pitched a shutout against Chisora .... and STILL people are saying he's too small for Heavyweight. Who in Tyson's era (or any other) fought like Usyk does!?!?

I get it, Usyk might still defeat Wilder - we just don't know. And Tyson was a pre-VADA fighter who applied offense much more heavily than Usyk does. But the facts remain, Wilder has STOPPED all but one of his 40 opponents - and even then came close. Tyson fought comparative pipsqueaks and couldn't put up those numbers.

Douglas didnt but he is a far more techincally skilled boxer. USYK MORE SKILLED THAN TYSON? Oh boy. You should really watch prime tyson in the 80s fight lmao, this dude was literally born to demolish people. Dude Tyson weighed in 218 while wilder weighs in at 231 in his highest. Wilder lacks the capability to even land his wild shots.

[billeau2]

So he bombs out Breazeale in one round, stops Ortiz TWICE, and damn near kills Fury, but the guy who went the distance with Tucker and was STOPPED by Douglas puts him away quickly!?

I am the only one here referencing facts - con****uous ones, at that (their careers, and disparity in size). The rest of you are engaging in nostaliga. There hasn't been a single reference to an opponent Tyson beat who was on Wilder's level, while Wilder has showcased his power and resolve against a cast of giants.

Its not all about size... Look at tape idiot. Look at the thiings Tyson could do in a fight... the pivoting, the head movement learned from Dempsey, the fast feet, we have not even got to the punching yet!

Wilder by comparison, cringes when hit (look at Deniums gif) has plenty of bad habits, only has a jab to set up his big punch.

Tyson at his best would get inside and end Wilder's career probably, not just the fight.

[billeau2]

Douglas didnt but he is a far more techincally skilled boxer. USYK MORE SKILLED THAN TYSON? Oh boy. You should really watch prime tyson in the 80s fight lmao, this dude was literally born to demolish people. Dude Tyson weighed in 218 while wilder weighs in at 231 in his highest. Wilder lacks the capability to even land his wild shots.

The bolded: Truthfully that is a myth. When Tyson started boxing he was like Wilder and most heavy weights. he could punch. Cus laughed at him and challenged him to grow... Tyson, who has always been very smart, despite not being formally educated, studied fighters, tape, and fell in love with Dempsey.

The point being: Tyson worked very hard to develop that crushing ability, had skills that he worked on. you can see Tyson pivoting, somethiing Dempsey inovated... The fast footwork, etc.

Wilder by comparison could punch, developed a jab over time. Thats about it. he still cringes when hit (like Klitsko). Does Wilder have so much power... so much natural ability that he could beat a guy who learned how to box at the highest level? cause Tyson had skills.... I don't think so.

[thebrownbomber_]

The bolded: Truthfully that is a myth. When Tyson started boxing he was like Wilder and most heavy weights. he could punch. Cus laughed at him and challenged him to grow... Tyson, who has always been very smart, despite not being formally educated, studied fighters, tape, and fell in love with Dempsey.

The point being: Tyson worked very hard to develop that crushing ability, had skills that he worked on. you can see Tyson pivoting, somethiing Dempsey inovated... The fast footwork, etc.

Wilder by comparison could punch, developed a jab over time. Thats about it. he still cringes when hit (like Klitsko). Does Wilder have so much power... so much natural ability that he could beat a guy who learned how to box at the highest level? cause Tyson had skills.... I don't think so.

Tysons raw power is very overrated. He never had that one punch hard power, but used blinding speed to ctch you with shot u dont see coming. See his earliest fights, even before becoming champion.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Douglas didnt but he is a far more techincally skilled boxer. USYK MORE SKILLED THAN TYSON? Oh boy. You should really watch prime tyson in the 80s fight lmao, this dude was literally born to demolish people. Dude Tyson weighed in 218 while wilder weighs in at 231 in his highest. Wilder lacks the capability to even land his wild shots.

If you think Tyson was more skilled than Usyk you're only confirming what everyone has already been thinking about you.

Tyson weighed 220 pounds when he could pass his child's urine through a prosthetic di'ck. No way he'd be entering the scene like that. And while his offense was very good, it only lasted for a few rounds. He abandoned it as he fatigued.


Wilder landed TWICE on Fury. Tyson never fought any one that good. He definitely never dropped anyone that good. Lots of fighters caught Tyson coming in.


Do you REALLY THINK FRANK BRUNO HITS HARDER THAN WILDER?

Simple question.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Its not all about size... Look at tape idiot. Look at the thiings Tyson could do in a fight... the pivoting, the head movement learned from Dempsey, the fast feet, we have not even got to the punching yet!

Wilder by comparison, cringes when hit (look at Deniums gif) has plenty of bad habits, only has a jab to set up his big punch.

Tyson at his best would get inside and end Wilder's career probably, not just the fight.

We could sit here all day and talk about the things Ali did wrong.

Liston was KO'd by Light Heavyweights.

Dempsey was shoved out of the ring by Luis Fu'king Firpo.

Lewis was KO'd by Rahman and McCall.

Have you ever seen the Byrd-Ibeabuchi fight?


It IS about size. No one said it was ONLY about size, and raw power is a tremendous equalizer. In your childish Asperger's ridden brain, you natrually see everything exclusively in black and white. But I am hear to tell you George, life ain't a page of "da New Yoik Times". (I am still awaiting stories about how you and the rest of The Warriors used to sell "da Papuhs" and shine shoes). There's nuance to the life outside your head.

Try digesting that... maybe the shrink will allow you more time out of the straightjacket.