How would a young Mike Tyson fair against the real big heavyweights of today.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Yes, he was a better fighter than many people think.

His main problem was a frail psyche, that's why he didn't perform at his best throughout his career.

It might not even be his psyche, but just the level of competition he fought at. And he might have genuinely had a less than ideal chin for the sport.

But you're right about folks' view of him. Sometimes I think it's the psychology of people. LaMotta talks about it: you kinda need to fail a little for people to like you, but not so much as to be a disappointment. I think Bruno was a disappoinment, and that's why he's been unduly criticized.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Something makes me think Dom Breazeale would disagree with that....

That is because Breazeale actually wanted to beat Wilder by early KO and than got rocked him self.

Go watch both Fury fights, Ortiz fights, Duhaupas fight, Washington fight..

[Laligalaliga]

When did Bruno ever have a "good day"!?

Ortiz destroys Bruno. Hell, even Fluffy would work him over.

Ortiz have never destroyed anybody good so far, so what are you talking about?

[Laligalaliga]

Something makes me think Dom Breazeale would disagree with that....

Breazeale is a bag of potato standing to be hit.
AJ toyed with him till he got tired and finished him off.

[Rusty Tromboni]

That is because Breazeale actually wanted to beat Wilder by early KO and than got rocked him self.

Go watch both Fury fights, Ortiz fights, Duhaupas fight, Washington fight..

Sorry, I couldn't resist the cheap shot.

But yeah, even that young Polish lad was doing well. That kid might have been something really special if he had entered the sport young and had better training.

The point is, Mike wasn't hard to find, despite having the best head movement I have seen from any Heavyweight. And that was when he was fresh. As the fight bore on, Mike began to plant himself and abandon his head movement.


Wilder absorbed ridiculous punishment from Fury in the rematch and was only TKO'd. I doubt many men would have lasted that long, even the ones that folks love to over glorify. Sure, Tyson can beat up on Wilder, but it's a HUGE task to stop him.

Ortiz hits every bit as hard as Tyson, if not harder and Wilder recovered just fine from that.


People also need to stop pretending that size doesn't matter.

Look at the pit bull Lomachenko. Even before the Lopez fight, no one was calling for a fight with Thompson. Why not!?!? It's not like Thompson is some robust tank. Obviously, size is too much. Even Lopez, who's smaller than Thompson, was able to shuck Lomachenko off. Even if Loma went to work a few rounds earlier and won that fight to unify the belts at 135, folks would be even more convinced Loma has no business knocking on Thompson's door - 135 is his ceiling. The same applies to Tyson - ok, maybe he wasn't at his absolute best against Douglas; Sure, Tillis and Tucker were just fighting to survive; he dialed it in against Green; Bruno put up a fight early, but got slept anyway.

You can apply all the excuses and I will accept them, but Tyson never had to face a man like Wilder. Wilder, conversely, has shown the ability to endure the assault of bigger men than Tyson, and find his mark no matter what - just give him time enough to do it.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Breazeale is a bag of potato standing to be hit.
AJ toyed with him till he got tired and finished him off.

So what were Mitch Green, James Tillis and Tony Tucker?


I admit, Wilder takes a while to get to work. And he really is only good at one thing - horrible at everything else. But he's big enough and strong enough to handle Tyson until Mike slows down and gives Beyonce something to work with.

Look how he found Fury TWICE in their first fight. That's a guy damn near twice Mike's size, and a fighting defensively! Mike doesn't recover from one of those punches. And if he doesn't go down and stay down, I doubt his career recovers either.

[Rockin']

So you admit he was a headcase unfit for the highest levels of the sport.


And here I had almost given up on you...

No I do not admit that. I went through my own sheet with just a girl trying to manipulate me. Add in a Don King character and my mind would have been in knots. And you can not forget about the support team, that left for whatever reason, that kept him safe until he won the title and the vultures came out. The guy comes from nothing to the champion if the world with wealth to spare. With that crazy beach, Don King and his parlor tricks and with no support team? I would say that he is human. I must admit that getting your brain bounced around on the daily didn't help too much either. Who could keep a straight mind in all of that.

A young Tyson was the most amazing thing. It's a real shame that he got mixed up with the people who eventually brought him, and his career, down.......Rockin'

[them_apples]

I'm all for telling Tyson too get back into fitness and get back in the ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He could still do it! If Foreman could win the belt at such an old age in a comeback then Tyson definately could!!!

Go Mike you big rapist bastard!!! Get back in the ring!!!

Foreman came back at 39. Tysons like 51

[them_apples]

So what were Mitch Green, James Tillis and Tony Tucker?


I admit, Wilder takes a while to get to work. And he really is only good at one thing - horrible at everything else. But he's big enough and strong enough to handle Tyson until Mike slows down and gives Beyonce something to work with.

Look how he found Fury TWICE in their first fight. That's a guy damn near twice Mike's size, and a fighting defensively! Mike doesn't recover from one of those punches. And if he doesn't go down and stay down, I doubt his career recovers either.

I'd hate to say it, but Mitch Green, Tillis and especially tucker were better than Brazeale. Brazeale is a total ****ing bum lol. I don't think ive ever seen a worse heavyweight division. even technically aside, these guys have 0 heart and are in absolutely no shape to be fighting. They also have a very low low skill level and boxing IQ, mixed with a couple little contemporary flares (like the hands up high ammy style and not moving around much). Don't mistake style with skill lol

I'd pick Tucker over Wilder. Wilder hasnt shown he can knockout anyone half decent. Ortiz isnt good, he's famous for being knocked out by Wilder lol. I don't see how that makes him good. He's just better than a guy like Brazeale, who looks like somebodies dad.

[them_apples]

Sorry, I couldn't resist the cheap shot.

But yeah, even that young Polish lad was doing well. That kid might have been something really special if he had entered the sport young and had better training.

The point is, Mike wasn't hard to find, despite having the best head movement I have seen from any Heavyweight. And that was when he was fresh. As the fight bore on, Mike began to plant himself and abandon his head movement.


Wilder absorbed ridiculous punishment from Fury in the rematch and was only TKO'd. I doubt many men would have lasted that long, even the ones that folks love to over glorify. Sure, Tyson can beat up on Wilder, but it's a HUGE task to stop him.

Ortiz hits every bit as hard as Tyson, if not harder and Wilder recovered just fine from that.


People also need to stop pretending that size doesn't matter.

Look at the pit bull Lomachenko. Even before the Lopez fight, no one was calling for a fight with Thompson. Why not!?!? It's not like Thompson is some robust tank. Obviously, size is too much. Even Lopez, who's smaller than Thompson, was able to shuck Lomachenko off. Even if Loma went to work a few rounds earlier and won that fight to unify the belts at 135, folks would be even more convinced Loma has no business knocking on Thompson's door - 135 is his ceiling. The same applies to Tyson - ok, maybe he wasn't at his absolute best against Douglas; Sure, Tillis and Tucker were just fighting to survive; he dialed it in against Green; Bruno put up a fight early, but got slept anyway.

You can apply all the excuses and I will accept them, but Tyson never had to face a man like Wilder. Wilder, conversely, has shown the ability to endure the assault of bigger men than Tyson, and find his mark no matter what - just give him time enough to do it.

Rusty, you talk decent in every other weight class. I can't disagree with you more on just about everything you say when it comes to heavyweights. Wilder isn't gonna catch Mike, he hobbles around on his skinny legs. First shot he misses and gets finished off. In the very rare case he catches Mike, guess what. He doesn't knock Tyson out. At best he buzzes him. Wilder is gonna miss big and get caught big.

They weigh the same but Mike is a throughbred and 5 ft 10. Wilder is a gym built 215 and 6 ft 7, most of it in his upper body. I couldn't imagine the kind of damage Tyson could do to a guy like Wilder.