Why Ali was not the greatest

[hhascup]

You can do your numbers game as much as you want, maricano and louis would have lost to foreman. Take a look at rocky's 49 opponents, 36 of them are d level bums. Foreman has beat more b level fighters and his wins over undefeated norton, frazier, lyle and undefeated moorer is more impressive than rocky beating an old walcott, an old moore and an old louis.

I agree with him beating Marciano, BUT he would have had trouble beating Louis. Foreman had trouble with boxers that had good left jabs, such as Ali, Jimmy Young, etc.

If Rocky got the bout past the middle rounds, Rocky would of had a good chance too, BUT I really don't think he would have gotten that far.


Also, Norton had a 30-2-0 record and Lyle was 31-3-1.

[brownpimp88]

I agree with him beating Marciano, BUT he would have had trouble beating Louis. Foreman had trouble with boxers that had good left jabs, such as Ali, Jimmy Young, etc.

If Rocky got the bout past the middle rounds, Rocky would of had a good chance too, BUT I really don't think he would have gotten that far.


Also, Norton had a 30-2-0 record and Lyle was 31-3-1.

Joe Louis struggled against journeyman fighters, ezzard charles kicked the living crap out of him, jersey joe walcott outboxed him twice and louis won the fight by getting gift decision. Joe louis gets praise due to his legacy, he isn't as good as they say brotha.

Foreman would have put pressure on him and hit the glass chin. Let's not forget that heavyweights back in those days were very small, so even if they were top 10, it doesnt mean the same.

[hhascup]

Joe Louis struggled against journeyman fighters, ezzard charles kicked the living crap out of him, jersey joe walcott outboxed him twice and louis won the fight by getting gift decision. Joe louis gets praise due to his legacy, he isn't as good as they say brotha.

Foreman would have put pressure on him and hit the glass chin. Let's not forget that heavyweights back in those days were very small, so even if they were top 10, it doesnt mean the same.

Louis didn't box for several years because of the WAR, so when he did return to the ring, he was past his prime. When he fought Walcott and Charles, he was past his prime. As far as a glass chin goes, he was dropped but Only Max and Rocky kept him down. Baer had one of the hardest punches in boxing history and Louis distroyed him.

The only thing I will say is that Foreman hit harder then anyone in boxing history, with the possible exception of Earnie Shavers. So if he did hit Louis, Louis would be history.

[QueensburyRules]

I've done a lot of thinking about this. I've always appreciated Ali's enormous physical skills and ring generalship, but something has always held me back from proclaiming him the best ever. Now I realize that, in my opinion, Ali simply took too many fights "off." Maybe comparable to how Shaq approaches the game of basketball (shows up during the playoffs)? To me, this lackadaisacal tendancy is completely unacceptable. It is probably what nearly got him knocked out versus Henry Cooper (saved by Dundee's "rip"), and it is definitely what caused him to lose the heavyweight title to a 7-fight pro (a complete disgrace to himself, the sport, and the luster of the heavyweight title, regardless of the result of the rematch).
While Michael Jordan may have had an off-night here and there, his committment every night was to play as hard as possible at all times. Sadly, Ali seemed to consider himself above that consistent, workmanlike approach. In my opinion, what George Foreman accomplished as a 40-plus-year-old fighter (actually able to seriously mix it up with some of the best in the division AND winning the title again...by KNOCKOUT!) makes him, to me, the best heavyweight champion ever.

- -Great stuff in the day.

Shaq and Sir 'enery too!

[HOUDINI563]

All the greats swarmers, Frazier, Marciano and Dempsey stylistically have Sn excellent chance of beating Ali. Of the three Dempseys great speed gives him the best chance. I’d give each three a 50/50 chance.

Louis could do it all in the ring and had one punch ko power. He was also trip hammer quick with his fists. Ali wins most rounds early. Louis comes on hurting and dropping Ali mid fight but Ali closes the show with slick boxing for the decision win.

[Naps]

The greatest is Floyd Mayweather Jnr.

No matter how much of a garbage hunan he is, it can't be even debated that he's not the best ever my an absolute mile.

[Naps]

Delete your account.

Marciano would've been a Cruiser at best in the modern day. He's an OG, but don't be corny saying he could've troubled people like Ali. It would be like Golovkin vs Joshua or something like that.

[HOUDINI563]

Naps...your an idiot.

Truth is Marciano was a far greater fighter than Frazier. Most feel Joe would always give Ali hell. Joe when he beat Ali weighed only 205 lbs. Rocky had two fisted punching power. Frazier all left hook. Frazier was the only heavyweight champion to never knock any opponent down with his right hand.

[HOUDINI563]

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[QueensburyRules]

The greatest is Floyd Mayweather Jnr.

No matter how much of a garbage hunan he is, it can't be even debated that he's not the best ever my an absolute mile.

- -Best ever garbage is damned by faint praise indeed.

Thanks for the reminder!