y2flyy

If Cintron fights Cotto, Cintron is LEAPING out of the ring in the 1st round!

I will be honest about this, i saw both fighters feet tangle and Cintron spin out and go out of the ring. I was baffled just as anyone was when he went through the ropes. It is this that made me watch the exchange that took place before he went out the ring .When he could not get up my first thought was damn i hope he is fine . Can you answer one question for me though, why would Cintron who just seconds after wobbling Pwill intentionally throw a fight? Hey RasJudah I am glad you're at least objective. My point is all you have to do is LOOK DIRECTLY at Cintron's leg. You can tell if a person plants their feet and jumps. Or if they were off balanced and fell backwards. A person who falls, legs doesn't making a springing motion. IF it DOES as in CINTRON's case. Its clearly a jump (or more accurately a leap) Now let me answer your question. First Cintron would throw the fight ESPECIALLY if he was winning. Second as I said before punks like Cintron really DO NOT LIKE TO FIGHT. He only likes to hit, so when someone hits him or pressures him back. He is a straight bi*ch! I'm going to be honest, there have been times I have fought someone in the street (and I may have thought the guy could knock me out). But at that time I'm winning the fight. I'm eating him up! I'm clearly winning! BUT! at the same time I'm PRAYING PRAYING that someone would JUMP in and stop it! WHY? Because at that point even though I was winning I was scared of losing and/or scared of getting knocked out. So I'd rather the fight stop a minute in, while I'm still winning. And forever be declared the victor! It similar in this case. Yes Cintron was likely winning. BUT again the 1st chance he got or couldv'e gotten to get out of the fight. HE WOULD! Especially if it meant he would get the victory AND the payday!

Thanks for a honest take on this fight , that is a possibility i can not deny. Thanks RasJudah! Lets me also point out something I just thought about. Do you Remember when Hopkins dislocated his shoulder and continued to fight? Do you remember when Arthur Abraham got his jaw broken against Miranda and begged the judge to let the fight continue? Do you remember when Cotto (against Judah I believe) Upper lip was busted out and it looked like some serious damage occurred. But Cotto didn't want to stop the fight even if you put a gun to his head. There are so many more examples! Cintron would not have continued even if he landed on a PILLOWTOP mattress with the dallas cheerleaders there to catch him! The dude is straight bi*ch made! EVEN MANUAL STEWARD IN THE TELECAST FOR THE FIGHT CALLED HIM SOFT! The fact that Cintron (whether he LEAPED out or not, even though he clearly did). When he lightly fell on a table and landed safety on the floor (as patrons were holding him from crashing). CINTRON LITERALLY LAID ON THE FLOOR LIKE HE WAS SHOT WITH A 50 CAL RIFLE. The guy looked DEAD. He clearly did not want the fight to continue! The funny part is watch the tape as Cintron is falling, he grabs the back of his head as if he just got hit with a 4x4. But the tape clearly shows nothing hit the back of his head. Then as the Doctor is looking at him Cintron is motioning towards his lower back. The PAIN MAGICALLY TRANSFERRED from his head to his back. And then AS SOON AS the doc declared the fight. CINTRON cries "DONT STOP THE FIGHT!" LOL yeah right!

6BOUND and RASJUDAH. Read my last post if you still do not believe.... Watch the video and clearly see Cintron's leg spring himself. Why would he leap himself out of the ring! It is clear!

That's what i don't get , so Willaims was turning the heat how? He was getting countered in that exchange. Boxingscene is all about repetition , one person says "oh yeah Pwill was turning it up" and then all of a sudden everyone is saying it. How do you turn up the heat when the other guy is landing clean effective punches? How is Pwill turning it up by walking into a solid left? How is he turning up the heat when the other guy justwobbled him? We all know Pwill would have turned it up as he normally does but up to that point he was not going in stride and hitting the next gear. RASJUDAH seriously bro don't look at anything that happened in that round nor anything else that happened in the fight. Do this.... 1) Watch as Cintron is OFF BALANCE after they were tangled 2) Watch as Cintron MAKES NO ATTEMPT to grab either of the 3 ropes as he is falling ****NOW WATCH THE MOST IMPORTANT EVIDENCE of LEAPGATE!**** 3) Watch the slow motion replay and look ONLY at Cintron's LEFT LEG (Upper thigh and his knee). Watch as Cintron is still HALFWAY in the ring. WATCH HIS LEFT LEG and LEFT FOOT spring himself out of the ring. You can tell by the springing action of his entire leg especially his knee area THE VIDEO IN SLOW MOTION SHOWS HE CLEARLY LEAPED OUT OF THE RING! You can look at someone's legs and determine if he fell or he jumped. To understand why CINTRON quit you need to UNDERSTAND Cintron and Pu**IES LIKE HIM. Yes he was likely winning some exchanges, but Pu**IES like CINTRON really DO NOT LIKE TO FIGHT. He only likes to hit someone else. Whenever he is getting hit back. HE NO LONGER WANTS TO FIGHT! Please answer LOGICALLY why would Cintron LEAP out of the ring (as clearly evident in the video)?

You guys are a bunch of crybabies! Why not mention that the ref miss the 2nd knockdown of Abraham OR how abraham was given a full 3 mins rest (as Dirrell was coming on) for the doctor to not only look at the cut HE STOPPED the BLEEDING (better than Abraham's cut man did) No RING DOCTOR should be giving nowhere near that much time to decide on a the cut PLUS HE SHOULD NOT BE TREATING THE CUT After the doctor played abraham's cutman, he stopped the bleeding and the cut was no longer a factor in the fight How fair is that to Dirrell? Stop crying this was a poorly ref fight from both perpectives

To answer your question OP it was against Roy Jones, the second fight right before the 2nd rd ko. Tarver was extremely timid in the first rd with Roy simply picking his shots. In the corner between rounds, Tarver's trainer buddy mckirt said you're showing him too much respect. And tarver angrily replied it ain't no ****ing respect (buddy later admitted during the Countdown to jones-tarver 3 that he Knew that would get under tarver's skin). Must have worked because the next round Tarver knocked Roy Jones out.

Remember how Emmanuel Steward used to holler and scream at Jermaine Taylor every round lol.....it was hilarious Jermiane would get a profane laced ear full and just say "yes sir" then proceed to go out and do the exact opposite of what steward told him to do. I think Emmanuel Steward aged 20 years from training Taylor lol

Wow good find!

Great idea! Maybe like $2.99 though

What Clottey fight were you guys watching. The fight I was watching I saw Zab get his ass wiped. He barely touched Josh Clot. You guys are smoking the same stuff zab does. Zab was bloodied and beaten very badly.

Yeah I've been noticing that lately too. They even broadcast the Press Conference of Lesnar-Colture fight.... I'm surprised by ESPN's new found love and coverage for MMA

I understand where the thread starter is coming from. Basically what he's saying is, those of you guys who constantly complain about the lack of quality fights where the top guys take on the top guys, only to turn around and support a farce of a fight like this, dont complain in the future, because as long as they can dupe you fans into buying into this crap, boxing will continue to diminish as a sport. Dont cry about b.s fights, when you guys are the reason they continue to air business matches instead of actual boxing matches. Thanks Deevel that is my point and I'm glad someone understand what I was saying.... Another point is if what I am saying is so wacko, how come when the fight was being talked about being made the Boxing public was in outrage! Even on Boxingscene everyone condemned the fight, saying it should not happen. Again anyone who thinks Pacman has even a chance to tickle Oscar De la hoya are pure Kool-aid drinkers. Pacman looks like DLH's son when they stand next to each other. Let's also compare their opponents (b/c that gives an idea of what size that person can handle) Who is the biggest fighter Pacquiao has fought? Marco Antonio Barrera? Who is the biggest fighter DLH has fought? Bernard Hopkins? See the difference? do you think Manny PAc can handle BHOP? Well Oscar Did! And that's my point the size difference in DLH-Pacman and their opponents are insane! And you gullible girls are excited to watch boxing make a mockery of itself! Would the NBA get respect if they matched their Champions the Boston Celtics against some High School team? Again Oscar De La Hoya is a b*tch and gets no respect for fighting someone half his size.... Thats like a senior in high school beating up on some 5th grader!

If you seriously actually truly believe that Manny Pacquiao who has had trouble and been hurt and knocked down by FAR smaller/ less skilled opponents than De La hoya has even the slimmest chance to win this fight You should immediately leave this thread and seek the highest level of metal/ Psychiatric help! Or check under your skirt because you are a girl.... Like I said I am not arguing with ya'll. I am more disappointed than anything. You are proving to the punk De La Hoya's in the boxing world that they can sell any bulls*it fight to the public. That boxing is not about the beauty of a challenge, or competitive nature of going against the best competition like is used to be in Boxing. We've already seen boxing dying. This was our chance to prove them wrong Just sit back and watch boxing vanish before our eyes And again I blame you idiots!

SEe the bold and underlined, if Pac right now fought at 115, he'd get knocked the **** out, and im not sure he beat Humberto Soto at 130, he fights at 122 he'd lose as well. You don't under stand what weight drained means. Good point Fero but I was speaking throughout his career. Pac at weight classes he fought in. He dominated. Pac would easily lose to any contender at 140 (Bradley, Hatton) Pac would get his head chopped off at 147 (Cotto, Margarito) And yet he is actually fighting someone way heavier than all these fighters I've mentioned. Like I said show me a point in boxing history where a guy as little as Manny Pac went up THREE WEIGHT CLASSES to fight someone as big as De La Hoya who at the SAME TIME is dropping TWO Weight classes! This is unprecedented! Again every fight that I can think of (Roy Jones-Ruiz, bhop-tarver, Bhop-DLH, Hearns-Hagler) where a fighter was moving up in weight classes ONLY ONE of the fighters were moving UP and not the Other also moving DOWN so far! Manny pac punches will feel like a pillow fight to De la hoya. It is that simple!

y2flyy don't take it personal. I wanted manny to win but I just couldn't see his speed being that much of a determining factor. There were many factors that made the fight look like a mismatch. I'm just glad they both made it through the fight in good health and Manny gets to keep his P4P ranking. Thanks Snoop!

Thanks A La VERGA!

You missed the point: Boxing was started for Self-defense. It was used by soldiers to defend themselves in battle when they were unarmed. It was later made into a sport, however; the whole purpose was to see who was the best, who was loved by the Gods. They knew in Nature that there are no weight-limits in a fight. In battle you can't tell the opposing enemy, "Hey, you are bigger then me, we can't fight." So, the Greeks thought, why bother making weight limits; we want our fighters to overcome the obstacle of size...just like David vs. Goliath. David knew he couldn't stand toe to toe, so he danced around shooting rocks at Goliath while never daring to be "macho." In recent history we have seen "smaller" boxers stand their ground against "Bigger" fighters, for example: Joe Choynski fought both Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffries. Choynski was no bigger than 175 pounds at around 5'10. He was a feared fighter in his day. His biggest strength, besides his power that was felt and claimed by both Johnson and Jeffries, was his incredible brilliant mind as a fighter. We also have Sam Langford: a fighter that was only 5'6 1/3 and started either as a lightweight or a Welter. His best weight is said to be middle. Sam fought the HWs of his day as well: "During his career, Langford defeated such men as Joe Gans, Harry Wills, Kid Norfolk, George Godfrey, "Philadelphia" Jack O'Brien, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVea, Ed "Gunboat" Smith, Willie Lewis, George "Elbows" McFadden, George Gunther, "Young" Peter Jackson, Jack Blackburn, Larry Temple, Dixie Kid (Aaron Brown), "Fireman" Jim Flynn, Jeff Clark, Bill Lang, Tom "Bearcat" McMahon, Jack Thompson, John Lester Johnson, Dan "Porky" Flynn, Ed "Bearcat" Wright, Theodore "Tiger" Flowers and "Big" Bill Tate" http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/langford.htm You also have Stanley Ketchel who would climb to light heavyweight to face LH champion Philadelphia Jack O'Brien; he would later go on to fight HW Jack Johnson. Cyberboxingzone has him listed as 142 and a170 1/4 lbs. His best was a Middle. Barbados Joe Walcott: "Joe Walcott, the "original", had the power to beat heavyweights; in fact he scored a first round kayo over 180 pound Tom McCarthy fairly early in his career. Walcott fought a number of other light heavyweights and heavyweights" "Walcott often gave weight to opponents and came out victorious. For one of his fights against Dick O'Brien, considered one of the best fighters of his weight, The Aug. 28, 1895 Boston Herald reported "Walcott, according to Tom O'Rourke, weighed 138 pounds, against O'Brien's 150 pounds. This ordinarily would be considered a great handicap. Few fighters would care to give away a dozen pounds. But so certain was O'Rourke that his man would win that he waived the weight." Walcott knocked out O'Brien in 2 minutes and 25 seconds of the first round." "Tommy West was a pretty good middleweight who had fought 17 rounds with Tommy Ryan for the middleweight title, and Walcott clearly dominated him, winning three times, once by ko, with 1 decision loss, 1 draw, and 1 ND. Walcott also fought a draw with middleweight (and future light heavyweight champion) Philadelphia Jack O'Brien over 10 rounds. Walcott beat a number of other top middleweights including Jack Bonner, Kid Carter, George Cole, and the ever-durable Joe Grim. Walcott fought light-heavyweight champ George Gardner twice, winning once by 20 round decision and losing by the same. He also defeated light-heavyweight Young Peter Jackson. One wonders whether modern era welterweight champions would have success against the reigning light-heavyweight champion if their opponents weighed in at 175?" Oh, and by the way, Walcott's listed height, estimated at about 5'1 1/2 http://coxscorner.tripod.com/walcott.html Here's a name you might know if you didn't know the others: ROBERTO DURAN: "reliable" boxing records has him listed in his first fight at 119. Duran is one of the best LIGHTWEIGHTS of all time. This "lightweight" would eventually move up to Welter where he would beat a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. Then, he would move up further to Middle to challenge Marvin Hagler. He lost, but it was a good battle. He even went up as high as Super-Middle. How about Roy Jones Jr: Started at 154-160 and moved all the way up to HW and won a title. And for Oscar: Won a lightweight title and would move all the way up to middle and beat Sturm and then fight Hopkins, who started his career at LH and would late in his career go back up to LH to win a title. Shane Mosley: Lightweight who moved up to 154. Great post it is very hard to argue against that! Still and all as a boxing fan today in a very different time as the times you made mention We all have seen how boxing may end up soon And you can not say that this fight helps boxing more than it hurts And I have absolutely no respect for De La Hoya! He is like a dude in high school that talks smack and fights a girl No respect!

Please explain....and while you are doing it, remember why boxing started. I'll be back in 2 hours to write a response; have to go out. Simply because you are comparing Apple to Oranges. Who cares how it was fought Centuries ago. People heads and hands were chopped off in open public for committing certain crimes in those days as well But in today's society that is not practical and society would find it too brutal and would not go for it Same thing with Fighting/Boxing certain rules and conventionally competition in today Boxing are within certain rules. Weight and Size within certain weight classes matter significant. Manny Pac could easily win every fight from 115-130 But if he fought 147 or higher he would get killed easily Why is that? Because of simply the size difference.... I appreciate the respectful way you responded, even though I may have insulted you.....

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Could one of you please enlighten me on how this will be an exciting fight? Serious I am not being condescending.... Why don't the New York Giants play my old high School Football Team? Why don't the New York Yankees play against little league? Or The Boston Celtics take on some YMCA kids? You know why because it is a mismatch with a far-gone conclusion! And no basketball, football, or baseball fan would be interested! Only in boxing!

Ok girls I give up. All these excuses about mismatches in history is all bulls*hit. Manny Pac looks like De La Hoya's son when they stand next to each other. There have been many skill mismatches before. But this is a complete and utter size mismatch. It would be like Paul Williams fighting Wladamir Klitschko! Show me anytime in history where a guy who fought at 115 pounds (Flyweight) has moved up to fight a guy who has fought fighters as big as 175 pounds (Light-Heavyweight)? Show me that and I'll shut up! It has NEVER happened because when real boxing fans existed, they would not have let it happen. But now that we have Kool-Aid drinking girls as boxing fans Look at the match-ups we get!

Original poster shut the **** up. Boxing is about underdogs defying the odds, it's about fighters training hard and working hard in order to prepare themselves mentally and physically, yeah it's a big mismatch, but it's a fight that could offer a hell of a lot in terms of aesthetics for us fans. It's two warriors, two legends in the ring together, david vs goliath, one has been written off and if, if, an upset occurs and Pacman somehow wins, it would be the biggest upset of ALL time. We pay to watch two exciting fighters figth each other, that's what's happening on december 6th. I'm buying it for sure man, I'm sick and tired of this bullsh*t and f*ckfaces like you trying to brainwash us not to watch it. A certified kool-aid drinker! You are what is wrong with boxing now. Call it what you want but do not say you are not an idiot.... Again this bullsh*t could never happen in the NFL or the NBA, MLB, etc.... Thats why these sports will live and thrive forever. The fans! The fans are smart and the fans know how to throw-back bullsh*t. Unfortunate for boxing De La hoya could sell a PPV fight with him fighting in drag against his wife and it would sell. Pitiful! When boxing dies, we will look back on this fight to see the final nail in the coffin

muahahaahah you f*ckin idiot hope do you feel now ? I called it right and you look like a fool right now, 'it's killing boxing oh no please don't buy it' mauhahaahahha I had the priviledge of seeing one of the biggest upsets ever and boxing history being made in my living room while idiots like you thought you could prove a point by boycotting it but instead just missed out on a great fighter hahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahah I was right you were wrong I'll give it you. I have never been so wrong in my life lol! Props to all you guys I criticized who had a more open mind. I would like my crow served with a side a bacon please! lol! I'm just glad I am not banned for calling it so wrong! Props again to all of you and of course the #1 true P4P Manny Pac!

Because I'am a boxing fan, i'am not looking forward to this fight. I and others said it many times Delahoya isn't the only fighter to fight a fighter coming up in weight. He's not the first and wont be the last. Drop the hate and watch the 24/7 and you'll understand why i want to see this fight hype and Delahoya to ko Pac its not the hardcore boxing fans like I that are purchasing this fight its the casual boxing fan. I know when people come up to me and talk to me about a fight I realized its going to be a big fight and the Delahoya v. Pac is one where people have came up to me and talked to me about this fight. They hype and the people willing to pay are there, that means people want to see this fight and no they aren't your hardcore boxing fans. So either you boycott this shit or get into the fan, as a boxing fan the hype got me interested in this fight. Dude that is bulls*hit! This is not just a fight where a fighter is moving up in weight class ala Roy Jones and John Ruiz fight.... This is one fighter moving DOWN 2 Weight classes and one fighter moving UP THREE WEIGHT CLASSES! (Yes PAC IS A TRUE 130 not 135 where he fought one fight) IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF LENNOX LEWIS FIGHTING PERNELL WHITAKER at SUPER-MIDDLEWEIGHT! Do you think any boxing fans would've bought that fight in those times? HELL NO! And that is my point! Lennox Lewis would've been laughed out of boxing Instead of condemning, laughing and throwing De La Hoya out for this you gullible girls are having a slumber party/ sleepover for him.... DESPICABLE!

DLH isn't moving down two weight classes. He was never really a MW and his best weight was WW. Pac is moving up two classes, he looked pretty decent at LW, and weighed more on fight night than most other LWs. We're talking about one guy in his prime, fighting two weights above where he looked very effective, fighting a past prime and inactive guy at his most effective weight, but where he will probably be weight drained enough to make the fight even more competitive. DLH is moving down TWO weight classes. Please tell me I read incorrectly when you said DLH is best right now at 147. So I am to believe you and not De La Hoya who for the last 5 years have said it is impossible for him to make 147. He has stated it constantly. In regards to fighting PBF, Margarito, Sugar Shane Mosley Trilogy, Cotto, etc.... DLH has always stated he will NEVER and COULD NEVER make 147 Oh but wait I forgot he can make 147 to fight a way smaller guy and sell that to the buying public.... And you all have been fooled AGAIN!

There is something we could have done. We could have boycotted this fight and stuffed it back up De La Hoya's skirts and dresses he likes to wear.... Just think how that Golden Boy and HBO meeting would've been when they realized "Hey Boxing fans will really only watch real fights now!" It would have changed boxing for the better!

Boxing has always had these types of fights; go through it's history. Even as far back with the Ancient Greeks; there was no weight limit...why? because in nature, there are no weight limits. So, get over it or tell the NFL to stop pitting 185 pound WR against 265 pound LB when they go up the middle. And Shaq should not be allowed to play in the NBA; what a bully. There is always bullshit in this all, I know, but in the end, most of us want to see a knockout. Dude that is the DUMBEST post I have read in a very long time!

Over the last 6 years Buddy has to have the WORST record training fighters! He is a horrible trainer and says the EXACT SAME THING EVERY ROUND TO EVERY FIGHTER "SHOOT THE JAB TO HIS CHEST" WHAT? Since I was a fan or Tarver I do like Mcgirt though....he is a cool guy just a horrible trainer

I don't get it, I don't gamble so how much did you lose or would've won if Shane Mosley won by decision?