Both of these Jewish fighters were hyped beyond belief, They were hyped up as true greats in the sport of boxing, World beaters, Legends and Hall of famers in the making.
Salita "The Star of David": Hyped as a golden gloves champion, A hard hitter with a great chin whilst having the ring intelligence and stamina to go the distance and cruise to a UD. Promoted by the best in the sport Bob Arum- Top Rank, Lou DiBella, Both of which ultimately after hyping him and forcing him down everyones throat dropped him from thier companies. Not only that HBO joined in on the hype and made a documentary on Salita. The blend of Orthodox Judaism and Boxing was promoted as ying and yang.
We all know what happend when he fought a world class fighter in Khan.
Foreman "The Zion Lion" : Hyped as Israels first world champion, Which is a fact, Also probably will be Israels only and last and shortest reigning world champion with just one failed defence. Touted as a Rabbi-Boxer that was the next Sugar Ray Leonard, They even had the audacity to make the comparrison. Miguel cotto was touted as a Marvin Hagler like figure that Foreman would outbox like Sugar Ray Leonard using his great footwork, Flashy combinations and cruise to a UD.
We all saw Foremans great footwork and how the Zion Lions corner threw in the towel.
I know we are all happy Salita and Foreman got beat because we were sick of hearing about them and the self-centered manner in which they brought thier religion into the sport , But now that they have both been de-hyped, Can we decide who was more hyped between these two great Jewish Boxers?
Totally agree, Israels greatest athletes are famous for being held hostage that's as far as Israel will ever get in terms of being famous in sports. I think Salita was more overhyped, you see the way Sky hyped him for the fight vs Khan no way was Foreman more overhyped than that atleast people knew that wanker, Salita? i thought that was a woman at first with a name like that.
**** Israel i hate that country to such a disgust, not ALL the people but all the politics and most of those stuck up bastards that live there, how dare they think there superior to palestine and try bullying them.
lmao it's a third man? damn then thats not even essencial but i would rather it's a fighter who knows there shit and been in brawls i think ray is a good fit although i dont watch boxing all the time so i wouldnt knoe about his performance in the late 80s on hbo
Arabs never occupied that land. It's also a myth that there was a kingdom of Israel. Israel did not actually become nation at that time.
We are not talking about ancient history. As far as many generations of Palestinians can remember, it's been their land for approximately 1000 years. It would be unfair to refer back to something as early as you've mentioned, because it has absolutely no bearing on their generations.
Now we are talking about the 1900's So who was kicked out first?
Who used the bible as an excuse, to kick the Palestinians out?
dude why bother? Israelis are killing Palestinians and nobody gives a shit it's simple dude, when it happens to muslims people party and dont give a shit if it happens to white people or USA and those sort of countries the world takes notice, no point arguing a lost cause dude it's clear majority people hate Islam we can't do shit about it these guys are internet bullies in real life they wouldn't dare say a word because of their cowardness.
That has to be my fav Tyson pic
That my friend is one of those pictures that truely tell 10000 words, like the guy below said that shows how much custamoto meant to Tyson, and yeah he needed a guy like him to keep him going, i think we would have seen Tyson to his fullest potential if the guy was still around its a shame.
Mayweather needs to admit he's scared? are you stupid? he's the one asking for the fights, he's the one who wants the fight, if Mosley a guy formerly on steroids can take the test and come out clean, why can't Pacqiao? that blood weakens him thing is a load of shit, so if he bleeds in a fight doesn't that weaken him? and what difference will about 10-15 ml of blood make in a fight, and if that's not bad enough EVEN MAYWEATHER is doing those tests himself. May would destroy Pac-man and he knows it.
I would have said Mayweather 100% without doubt but i read Jakkups post and yeah it's true, albeit Mayweather is also the face of L.A. Fitness which is a small shitty gym anyways. Mayweather also drew big numbers of his opponents, De La Hoya, Hatton and Mosley.
LOL i don't know if you guys are American or not but i don't think you guys have seen most of Khans fights? he got KO by Prescott, the very next fight he had he got rocked, the one after that he got rocked but still came back yeah, he's my favorite fighter but i will still tell you guys to stop kissing up to him because you guys are stupid if you think this guy is like Mayweather or Pacman, this guy can't take shots. AND TO QUOTE THE GUY WHO SAID KING KHAN DUCKS NO MAN UNLIKE MAYWEATHER? LMFAO your kidding me right? look at the fights he had, he fought Salita who the **** is that guy? he fought Barrera in his twilight years, he even said he wants to fight guys when they ain't in there peak shape how about that? He also called out Maidana live on TV but...if memory serves me right he left Frank Warren for not offering him big fights then he fights Malignaggi who Ricky Hatton also beat and wasn't ever going to test his chin and he still looked like he got bruised from Paulies feather hands, if thats not bad enough he was meant to fight Maidana but he swerved him because of the threat he faced and instead chose Malignaggi.
From this post - I'm pretty sure Khan isn't your favourite fighter, tbh.
ATM he is, he like me is pakistani descent, why wouldn't he be, he's my idol, but i don't like the way he has hand picked his opponents, dude if you have followed his career since he started boxing in 2004 you would agree with me, i don't agree with hand picking opponents. I believe he is too good to be fighting people who are nowhere near his skill level, he fought barrera when he was past his prime, fair enough Salita was mandatory but look what he done to him, Maidana was meant to be next but he used an excuse that Maidana was not a big enough name for him when judging by Maidanas reception in this forum to me he seems like a very well known guy, everybody knows he should be fighting the Maidanas, Alexanders and Bradleys because of all this hype he has been getting you can't just pick your opponents off and say you want to fight fighters who are past there prime and then want to be known as the greatest, common now you can;t be doing that. I think he is the best British fighter of his generation without doubt nobody else comes near, Mitchell, Billy Joe Saunders, Frankie Gavin ain't nowhere near this guys level and never will be. He needs to fight the big boys from now on, he got KO'D hard by Prescott and if you want a legacy i'm sure you'll agree that you don't fight bums in order to either avenge the loss or be on the road back to greatness right?
I was there, Katsidis controlled everything, Kevin got a few punches to every 4 Katsidis threw and even in round 1 and 2 he was rocked a bit, i spoke to Kevin's chauffer aswell he even said that if he kept to a game plan and fought like he did Presscott he might have had a chance but, to be honest in my opinion he was over hyped, he is a nice guy and all and even came over to us by the tunnel after and was saying sorry and all when he didn't need to but he was pretty over hyped, Katsidis is a beast and all due props to him, he got boooed out the building and it still didn't affect him in fact it was the other way round.
Katsidis is the world champion of his division this guy can hang in there with anybody, i think Marquez would be the perfect fight for him right now and would be a good brawl, i am Certainly a Katsidis fan now all those boos turned to cheers by the second round.
He will not be intimidated by the punching power of Cotto. He has superior speed, defense and boxing ability and he will display them all on fight night.
Foreman's record after the fight: 29-0
Cotto's record after the fight: 34-3
WAR FOREMAN!!!
stop sucking on his dick.
**** FOREMAN HE'S AN ISRAELI BASTAAAAD
Humble? he's a rabbi from what i heard.
LMAO yeah so he's teaching people about 'how great being a zionist and a jew and an israeli is' thats real humble
eh, its hard to say. He actually was probably one of the best ever at super featherweight...not in record, but in talent. I cant think of many that would have beaten him at that weight.
wins over Limon, Jose Luis ramirez, Rosario(controversial), Boza Edwards, Ed Davis Jr, Ray Mancini, Vinny Pazienza, Greg Haugen, Roberto Duran(old), and Leonard(old) is pretty damn impressive, even if he never lived up to his potential. especialyl when you consider he did this over about 5 weight classes, and was beating guys with impressive records along the way.
people only remember him for his running and him getting shut out by De La Hoya very late in his career, but honestly the guy was a quality fighter who even at his worst went the distance with 2 of the best Welterweights of the 90s, despite being past his best and at an unnatural weight class.
dont forget also that he is one of the fastest fighters that ever lived.
personally I would say 'Yes', but you can decide for yourself
Very damn good arguement dude, that is one of the reasons why i also ticked Yes. Funnily enough you mention i was just watching his match vs De La Hoya where he was running from round 1 but still in my eyes an ATG also.
Don King:
1. Ran an illegal numbers business in Cleveland, Ohio, and shot a man to death in 1954
2. Beat a man to death in Cleveland in 1966, and served 3 1/2 years in prison
3. Promoted a heavyweight tournament in 1977 where fighters' records were falsified
4. 1984: Acquitted of tax fraud and conspiracy
5. 1990: Tried to overturn Mike Tyson's upset loss to James "Buster" Douglas in Tokyo
6. Investigated in 1992 by the U.S. Senate regarding affiliations with mobster John Gotti
7. Former heavyweight champion Tim Witherspoon won a $900,000 judgment against King
8. Sued by Muhammad Ali for $1.2 million in connection with the Larry Holmes fight; unfortunately Ali would settle for a paltry $50,000
9. Mike Tyson's $100 million lawsuit against Don King, claiming theft of purse. It was settled out of court for $14 million
10. 1998: Acquitted of insurance fraud
11. 2000: An unindicted co-conspirator on 33 counts of bribery, conspiracy, racketeering, fraud and other charges in a federal investigation that uncovered payoffs for ranking fighters
12. 2005: Settled with Terry Norris for $7.5 million for breach of contract
13. 2006: Sued by Chris Byrd for breach of contract, and settled out of court
14. 2008: Lost a $2.5 billion lawsuit when ESPN exposed King's shady business practices over the years
This is Floyd`s future promoter.
so does he have to pay 2.5 bil back?
It's what happens when 99% of poor people that didn't build a business or save their way to large sums of money. You see it with lotto winners and athletes all the time.
Most people say "If I made $5 million in a fight I'd put it all away and live off $100k/year for the next 50 years". Very easy to say, very hard to do.
Thats a very good point man.
Yeah there are a few exceptions but the rest struggle pretty hard and it's sad to see when guys who put the work rate in ending up like that Meldrick Taylor prime example same with Joe Frazier.
The street-smart ones who came from a good background stack up in my view. Naseem Hamed is broke aswell now i heard.
But surely if you spend your money on booze, clubbing, cars, houses hell even a tiger, you won't even go broke that stuff can't cost the better part of 50 million. Nights out clubbing cost about 20,000 for a caner and by then they would make it up in their next fight if you're an elite level fighter.