truthhurts

forget oscar prime or not he never acknowledged winky in which would have done him in back then to now

in a roundabout way I see this as saying Clottey is better at 147 than Wright is at 160. The same Clottey told to "act like a champion" please this is pathetic, lets talk about how paul is p4p#1 until he takes a challenge he will be forced to accept due to inactivity worries.

mosley and jmm will end up fighting while mayweather and manny will never fight.

so in the end asking mosley to go to 154 is like RJJ being asked to stay at heavyweight

why wouldnt SSM fight JMM and cotto should be the gatekeeper to fight JMM, MANNY, SSM, FLOYD? thats is why he is B+ anything below them he will beat

Now this is the reason he is down on my list because he doesnt look into Paul. But face it his only success at 154 was against DeLaHoya in which is the root of this all. and the fact is the business allows "what a person draws" as an excuse not to fight but he his the one who makes the most in the sport is messed up considering his accomplishments in big fights.

i agree floyd being left out, but what about JMM options? I have a feeling he will be effective at 143. Everybody gives Pac his credit about still having power in higher division well I feel that Pac at best weight couldnt finish him off so......

It has been said.

Are there any believers that Mayweather will retire without another fight?

Here's a question is Manny stronger under or over 140?

now we are on the same page they will never meet.

who bitches about floyd fighting him not me that is the purspose of this thread. I think that floyd saw mismatch in JMMs favor. He is too busy and his chin is up to par to be caught with one shot

cotto should be fighting guys like cintron at this point he has the bare min. needed to be called a top welter

cotto is a gatekeeper in terms of performance. he will become gatti soon

i say JMM is better than Pac. He isnt afraid to challenge himself. he has much more heart than Pac

the competition in his movement bridges whatever weight gap u see. but as i stated he ducks paul clearly and cant be p4p1

bigger fish like 154?

my thing is that Tony's stock stayed up as if there was an excuse for his loss so the fight with him and Marg. shouldnt have been. He was given a gift in Mosley which is why what played out played out. we will see about Berto

almost as same as saying RJJ needs to go back to frying bigger fish. They only saw defeat (RJJ KO's worst) at higher classes.

just like u think floyd will knock him out too?

people seem to want to discredit or ignore that pwill beat margarito before he fought cotto, and the other two guys speak for themselves. He is talented but he cannot hang with Mosley, Floyd, Pac under 147, PWill. He would now have close fights with Berto, Cintron, and those type of fighters.

he was given a gift in mosley but judah, margarito, clottey are all guys who never got over the hump

remember floyd is #8 on my list

i cannot give you that the competition that exsisted in the lightheavyweight division beats what lied in the jr. middleweight division and secondly at what weight class has most of mosley fights been at?

JMM stood Pac's best power, and now Pac stopping guys out above 140. think about that.

lightweight, jr.welter, welter, jr. middle middle, supermiddle, lt.heavy, heavy roy lost in the department mosley is campaigning at in terms of movement

at 143 how effective would mosley be? and if u say this then mosley should blow out Pac right?

can you imagine negotiations between manny and floyd that also will never happen.

you proved my point all those fights had high drama with problematic guys. Pwill beat Margarito

we havent seen mosley at 143 which would be the weight