streetdreams

heres a reason to hate the guy, not too many people know about lewis started boxing when he moved to canada, he was trained at the same gym as me GRAND RIVER BOXING CLUB until he decided to go pro, than he went overseas because there isnt much chances for a pro in canada. whatever happened happened but that guy never gave a dime to that lil boys club that got him started, the coach died a few years ago and he never saw him since the day he left. y'know we had fight posters wallpapered around that place from the chuvalo, norton days until now and after he never came back, we never put another one on the wall again. kinda sad to think about. the owner of that gym was a retired janitor he started off takin kids out the school yard fightin into the gymnasium. When it got full he rented out the top of a warehouse in a dirty industrial part of town, the bags were duck taped, the equipment was old and bought used and the fee was 20 bucks a month IF you had it. this guy spent his life doin what he loved, tryin to get kids to go somewhere in life, to think the one kid he got the farthest couldnt even come back to say thanks. I have no respect for the man as a person 1 800 268 7815

I just had to add somthing here, another reason lewis gets no respect from me is the whole retirement after his embarassing fight with klitchko. he shoulda been knocked out, just one more fight wheres he's unprepared and takes the easy way out. it took him so long to get up to professional calibre and when he did the only reason he got noticed was because the division was in shambles. I agree mike tyson has a hard time with tall guys who know how to box and they could have replayed that fight a 1000 times and mike prolly woulda lost everyone because he didnt have cus and that fury that was a mike tyson trademark in the early days BUT seeing theres only 1 year between them, I would have to say ANY match up pre 87 would have been a deffinite KO in under 3 for tyson. 4 SURE! and that dosent say much for lewis. lastly this comment had me spoke on "A young Tyson was 12 rounds of punishment" actually tyson was so much punishment that it took 32 fights before ANYONE went 12 rounds with him. 1 more reason the legend of tyson will far outlive the man

look Jones IS considered one of the best of our time, theres nothing anyone can say that will change that. those names you listed, ya they wanted to fight him so did anyone lookin for there big break. when your a contender you fight those ABOVE you, not down and as said Jones was puttin BIG NAMES on the mat. BIG NAMES that woulda laughed at some of your prospects, so dont try to take anything from him. I hate when people try to belittle someone who who gone out and made achievments in theyre industry by mentioning things they cant find on paper

Chapters boys! they got 3to6 different ones in stock all the time I think were living in a time where people are afraid of anything remotely 'manual labour' anything that coulda once been considered courageous is now considered extremly dangerous. I work in construction and when I'm done I go STRAIGHT to the gym, y'know how many people think I'm crazy?? I think theyre crazy, you only live once. I think were losing half the industry to people being afraid of what could happen to them and the other problem is the advent of these new UFC fights, these fights take away from boxing promotions and literally are trying to put boxing in the ground in the next few years. boxing took a real hit when these PC bleeding hearts came out the woodwork the last 15 years. used to be a man did what he did without thinkin about it, now they play golf because its easy on the joints and a great way to spend time LMAO fk that

popular fighters vs the elite of the elite? so your saying a fighter is great because of how many tickets he sells? YES!!! listen, every boxer wants to get to the top, every boxer wants a belt. and if you prove yourself and get to that level than YES your gonna sell tickets. any 'popular' boxer I know was THE elite of the elite in his time, how do you think he got there? people pay to watch the best go toe to toe, how could you be the best and NOT sell tickets or be popular?

new to this site but a crazy box fan. glad I found this joint. I cant believe alot of the things I'm hearing first off I think holyfield WILL be the boxer MOST remembered from the 90's, it may seem unfair but heavyweights hold peoples attention. in 2010 you really think people are gonna be in awe of trindad? foreman or chavez?!?! no way. the boxer that sold seats and pushed PPV into peoples homes was holyfield. I WOULD hold jones a close second BUT truthfully he didnt gain alot of noteriety until he stepped up to the WBC light heavy in 1996. his wins over toney and hopkins before that date wernt even a flash in the pan compared to the media attention he got post 99. 4 years of fighting dont make him the big man of the 90's.he is one of the best middle weights of all time BUT the 90's didnt shine like the early 00's for him when he stepped up to light heavyweight. Foreman was one of the greatest of all time, and ya he wrote the books with his win at 45 but it was short lived at the end of a Loong career. and he will go down in history for his accomplishments in the pre 90's days, but of course there will always be an honourable mention for that moorer win. holyfield is far from perfect, his 2 losses to bowe, letting holmes and foreman take him the distance with out a KO. and the moore deal. holyfield wasnt perfect as far as legends go but hell even louis, frazier, and foreman had there embarassing losses so its all good. overall he will be remembered in history and thats why I placed him 1st. I wanna defend tito here for a second, he had some GREAT fights in the 90's but really he's not gonna be remembered for defending that IBF belt 16 times in the 90's. like jones he's gone go down for his wars in the 00's against reid, vargas, joppy and of course that one fight of the 90's de la hoya. now this may sound funny, I hate hoya. I dont like his style, I dont like his personality. and I sure as hell dont think he'l be remembered as great simply because of his style. (maybe as a promoter since all he thinks about is money) but he took down some big PPV numbers, more than jones and trinidad put togethor in the 90's and thats why I gotta place this bastard at 2nd behind holyfield. so a bit long and confusing my top 4 is 1 Holyfield 2 De La Hoya 3 Jones 4 Trinidad