sleepingtalon

Quote the great BHOP "MMA is a gay ****o". Don't know why the word **** is censored on here... Hmmm, I believe he changed his tune on that one, and also said this a few weeks ago... “James Toney is out of his league... When you step out into a situation where, against a legend too in his own sport. I believe, and I'll go on the record, that the best MMA guy or UFC guy go up against the best boxer in the world in their arena, in their arena gets their ass kicked. I don't care who it is, whether Floyd, Pacquiao, Bernard Hopkins, they get they ass kicked. That is not what we do." "This is a different different arena, I'm not trying to say he won't have any moments, but listen when that instinct come in when one guy is used to taking a guy down or used to using his forearm or shin or whatever, hey man you take that away that's like taking a lion's teeth out, he's no longer a lion." He seems to get it, I don't understand why some delusional, diehard, boxing fans don't.

yeah they would try to grab floyd legs like any bum in the street would why not let one of them fight floyd in a boxing match i mean they do train in boxing as well as grappling they jsut wont be able to graple n kick Yeah, that makes a ton of fucking sense. Why would you take away an element of the fight? Because Mayweather is one dimensional? That's not anyone elses fault. The fact is that in order to even dream of being garnered the greatest FIGHTER in the world, you're probably gonna have to be proficient in something MORE than boxing. Besides, Mayweather was the one that said the boxer could step into the cage and knock the MMA guy out, not the other way around.

Floyd said he would mop the floor with them, in a boxing match. Which he would.... I don't think his comments had anything to do with it being a boxing match. "Put one of our guys in UFC and he'd be the champion. Any good fighter, he'd straight knock them out." That's pretty self explanatory to me. He wasn't talking about boxing, he was talking about stepping into the cage and beating MMA at its own game. MMA fighters never claim to be better boxers, infact, the pattern has seemed to be somewhat reversed. At any rate, Floyd did what he does best last night, and then retracted his statement, so it really doesn't matter. It's not like he'd ever actually fight in the UFC anyway.

Sean Sherk wouldn't last one round before getting brutally outclassed and KO'd if he got in the RING with Mayweather. And Floyd wouldn't last one round before getting betting brutally beat up if he got in the Octagon with Sherk. So I really don't see the point Dana White is trying to make. They're two completely different sports. The point is that FLOYD was the one who came out talking shit. Noone in the UFC has sat during interviews discrediting boxers, or Mayweather specifically. Floyd is the one who said he would pretty much mop the floor with them, not the other way around. Floyd is a great boxer, shit an ELITE boxer, but let's get real. Even he knew deep down what the end result would be. Sherk slamming elbows into his head from the mount wouldn't be good for his legacy. Besides, when's the last time anyone has ever heard Floyd apologize for anything? It was either aplogize or STEP UP, and he isn't ready to do the latter. Give the man props for being good at what he does though, and if this was really his last fight, let him have his time to shine and finish cementing his legacy.

all around, boxers are far better athletes than MMA, our fights are longer, we're more disciplined, and an MMA guy wouldn't get close enough to get us on the groud. And BTW Kermit was an amazing wrestler in high school, he's going to do just fine, like I said I might be going out to eat with Kermits brother soon, I'll see what I can find out. Boxers are better athletes? How did you come to this brilliant deduction? That's simply NOT true. Each sport has great athletes. Boxing has longer fights, but not by some huge margin. MMA can go 25min in the US. Ever hear of Gracie and Sakuraba? That fight went an HOUR & a HALF! Please tell me the last time a boxing match went that long? More disciplined? What do you base this on? Oh, and as far as Kermit's wrestling skills, placing 10th in high school isn't some great accomplishment. I placed top 5, and my wrestling is average with the guys I train with. The best line you've said though is "an MMA guy wouldn't get close enough to get us on the ground" That's a fucking laugh if I've ever heard one. Keep it coming, you come up with some entertaining stuff!

its true, when people realize that they are not gonna make it in boxing start doing MMA, learning to wrestle is easier than learning to box. i would like to see cintron do it, with those gloves he could knock out anybody there, and if he has some wrestling bacground he could use it to stay on his feet. More funny comments! Wrestling is easier than boxing? I assume you've got gold medals in both those sports to back that statement up? Cintron's wrestling backround is sub par, and based on the fact that he probably hasnt wrestled in 10yrs, his 10th place finish in high school is hardly gonna help him. Especially seeing how you've gotta adapt your wrestling to suit MMA.

No he is not a pure striker. He has collegiate wrestling experience and he is at least a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Your correct on his fighting style though. He uses his wrestling to avoid takedowns. If he is taken down, he uses his wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu skills to work to get back up. As for Cintron, he could use his wrestling to try and avoid a take down and to scramble for a stand up if he was taken down. The hole in his game would be his submission defense. If he has no training in that, he would probably be submitted before he could scramble back up if the fight went to that ground. Hope this helped answer your questions. Correct in that Chuck isn't a pure striker, not even close. He has a VERY solid wrestling backround, including a good college career. His striking style comes from a base in Kempo karate, and kickboxing. Chuck has a brown belt in BJJ too, so he's not gonna be clueless on the ground...not even close. He chooses to keep his fights standing because he's had a distinct advantage over the other guys at LHW in the UFC in that department. As far as Cintron learning good takedown defense, well, easier said than done. Learning to avoid takedown, while still fending off strikes is not something you learn overnight. Many of these guys that do this have been training for a VERY long time. Cintron's wrestling is nothing special either, and it's not gonna help him against Sherk who is a BETTER wrestler. He placed 10th in state in High School, that's not that big of an accomplishment, but beyond all that, he hasn't even been training in wrestling for quite sometime. Besides, what's he gonna do, take Sherk down? I highly doubt that would happen, but if it did, it's not like Sherk has never been there before. He was on his back for 25min with Matt Hughes, whose probably one of he most brutal GnP guys you could have on top of you. The adverse will most likely happen, with Cintron on his back, some place that's totally foreign to him. When you're on your back, getting elbows slammed into your head, while trying to avoid submissions, the game changes quite a bit. This fight would look something like this....they come to the center of the cage, circle eachother, Sherk shoots in, picks Kermit up, slams him on his head, starts smashing his face in with elbows/punches from gaurd, and either passes his gaurd, only to end the fight with strikes, or he submitts him easily.

Morrison is a joke. He doesn't wanna do MMA, because he knows he'll get wrecked. Here's an excerpt from Sherdog.com explaining some of what happened... "Rules prohibited any kind of ground fighting, and as the card at the Cliff Castle Casino was about to commence it was announced that knees, elbows, or kicks of any kind would be disallowed during the Morrison-Stover fight, which was scheduled for three three-minute rounds." Tommy was too scared to get kicked, taken down, have elbows dropped on his head, or get choked unconscious. It was pretty painfully obvious that he wasn't ready to fight MMA, even days befoe the fight, when Sherdog also found out that he didn't even bother to employ a BJJ coach of any kind, or do anything that would prepare him to fight off his back. All this was was a boxing match, with 4oz gloves, inside a cage. Fight finder is not recognizing this as a win, and rightfully so. The funny thing is that if he was scared of Stover, who is a CAN in the world of MMA, there's no way he's ready for what the top LHW's in the UFC bring. Good job Tommy, you won a glorified boxing match against a guy who has very little to NO boxing experience, in front of a crowd of 2500 people, in 2:08 seconds. I hope he realizes that under normal MMA rules, he would've lasted about HALF of that! I've pretty much lost all respect for the guy.

Isn't it funny how Dana White challenged Tito to a boxing and not MMA match, yet he expects Floyd to fight MMA? I'm surprised Floyd didn't bring that up. Uh..once again, PBF is the one that said he could step in the cage and beat the MMA fighter, not the other way around, so based on that, yes he did want Floyd to back up his words. It's not like Dana went on record and said that he could step in the cage and beat Tito, so what you're saying doesn't apply.

i think boxing is more like a real fight then ufc Please explain?

Dude your a self proven asshole who knows absolutely nothign about the sport of boxing, go put on your tights and roll around with your boys, this is brawler country, we don't need mohawks and tattoos to be badass. MMA is a joke in the eys of boxing. A "brawler country"? Spoken like a true fuckin' idiot. Boxing is ONE, and only ONE element of a real fight. Like it or not, it's the truth. MMA is a joke in the eyes of boxing, huh? I guess that's why DLH's camp has been training Diego Sanchez, a top MMA fighter, right? I guess that's why many boxers can be found in the front row of UFC fights in Vegas, right? Get off your little fucking high horse, and just swallow the reality pill. BTW, you're right, you don't need tattoos on your body and mohawks to be badass, you get to prove that with tattoos on your face and ear biting!

his puching power will!!! And this guy had a great wrestling career. probably better then this UFC guy. A BOXER-UFC event would be HUGE HUGE HUGE stuff. Uh...his wrestling experience is pretty much a wash against Sherk. Sherk's wrestling is light years ahead of a person that placed 10th in state during high school, that hasn't trained it in awhile.

Actually he said that Chuck Liddell would get beat by a boxer, he never said he'd step in with a UFC guy. Oh, so when he said "Put one of our guys in UFC and he'd be the champion. Any good fighter, he'd straight knock them out." He was referring to everyone EXCEPT himself, huh? That statement wasn't self explanatory? Gimme a break.

Why? Is developing a decent sprawl really that hard? Nope, it’s one of the easiest thing to learn in MMA.. Jesus fucking Christ, CroCop came into the sport with nothing but kicks and punches and dominated. Exactly, KICKS and punches, and what's CC known for? HIGH KICKS, not just punches. He also didn't start to dominate right out of the gate. CC has been competing in MMA for about 6yrs now, so he's not some newb. He also had to adapt and blend his techniques so that they worked well in MMA. The debate isn't how well boxing works in MMA, as we all know it works well. I mean, that's why it's part of the core training. It's all hybrid though. No art in it's traditional sense works well when you start allowing other ways to defeat your opponent. This goes for BJJ, wrestling, MT, Judo, etc. There's a lot more to it then just being able to sprawl, especially against guys who are ready for that tactic...particularly good wrestlers like Sherk.

What do you do when you've reached your peak of boxing and realized you're not very good? You learn how to wrestle a little and join the UFC. Cintron already knows how to wrestle and if he fought MMA he'd mangle anyone near his weight. Hopefully it doesn't happen just because it would bring that so-called sport more undeserved attention. LOL, are you serious? Learn how to "wrestle a little"? That's a joke. 10th place in high school justifes a good wrestling backround? There are national champions from D1, and Olympic medalists in MMA, FYI. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a black belt in BJJ? If Cintron fights any top LW, he's gonna get mauled. Plain and simple.