I apologize, for being misleading. I should have clarified better. There are certain differences between each skull structures between the 3 major races. That is why when forensic scientist and archaeologist, find bones and skeletons, they can tell the race of the persons very easily by their skull structure.
Ok, first there are 3 Major races. Caucasoid (White), Negroid (Black), Mongoloid (Asians). Anyone can look it up. Its not what language you speak or ethnicity or culture. Its determined by the structure of our skulls.
Latinos/Hispanics is an ethnicity/culture. The word "Latinos" is derived from the word "Latin" which was the language of of the Romans. The Spanish language is very closely related to the Italian language, which is the evolution of the Latin language. "Hispanic" is derived from the word "Hispaniola" which is what Spain was called.
Argentinians are just like what white Americans are, they migrated from Spain/Italy just like White Americans migrated from England, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, French and Italy.
You're the uneducated one you dip****. WHITE people don't speak spanish.
You're the one who's not educated. From your reasoning, only people who speak english are white? What about Russians, Germans, Danish, Swiss, Spanish, Italians? Are they not white?
Dumbass!
You made good points! Also to add, It's actually beneficial for Arum to make fight with his own fighters (Cotto, Clottey, Margarito) in both his share of the money and also negotiations wise.
I used to really like Manny Pacquiao. Ever since his team came up with the money making scheme to take over the higher weights he's been a fraud.
The guy is forcing bigger fighters to drop in weight, the smaller fighters to come up in weight and he's beating the snot out of them.
When is the last time Pacquiao fought a legit opponent that wasn't beaten up badly or KTFO a fight or two before fighting PACMAN?
I'll give him a slight pass on the Mayweather debacle because I don't see Floyd going out of his way to make that fight happen.
With that said Manny Pac avoided Shane Mosley until Shane got beat up badly by Floyd. He refuses to fight the man that has given him his toughest fight as a progessional, JMM. There are young lions out there like Andre Berto and Tim Bradley. The #2 pound for pound fighter in the world, Sergio Martinez, is only seven pounds away from him and he wants no part of that action.
Pacquiao has gone from a lovable fighter to an overpaid, fraudelent, greedy coward.
Manny Pacquiao, Arum and Roach can all eat a d*ck! There laughing at the idiot boxing fans that shell out money to watch him beat up glorified sparring partners like Clottey, Margs, Hatton and now Mosley.
This is not about being a flomo or a pactard or whatever other corny ass name people come up with.This is about being a long time boxing fan being fed up with the so called greatest fighter of the sport today.
I give props to fighters like CARL FROCH, ANDRE WARD, PAUL WILLIAMS, SERGIO MARTINEZ, JEAN PASCAL, JMM (total man crush...no homo) and even the KLITSHKOS (they fight anybody).
Those aforementioned names are true warriors and ambassadors for the sweet science of boxing.
I wish Pacquiao and to a lesser extent Mayweather would just go away and stop making a joke out of the sport.
I understand all your points, but let's take a look back at his last 5 fights:
ODLH: Oscar fought Steve Forbes at a catch weight of 150lbs. Remember Oscar was tuning up for Mayweather in the rematch. He was claiming that 147 was when he was at his best and that was the weight he wanted to fight Floyd. Floyd then retired a few months after so Oscar challenged Manny who just fought his first fight at 135 lbs and just fought JMM that same year at 130 to come up to 147 limit.
Hatton: Manny fought Hatton at Hatton's best weight. He did lose to Mayweather his last fight.
Cotto: Cotto and Moseley were the best at 147. Mayweather just fought a few months back so he was not available. Remember, Cotta is also with Arum so it only makes sense to fight Cotto. They will get the 100% split, plus Moseley is part owner of Golden Boy so its a little tougher to make the fight with Top Rank and Golden Boy history.
Clottey: This fight was to salvage the date reserved for Manny and Floyd when the negotiations fell through. Clottey was also with Arum so negotiations are quick and easy.
Margarito: This fight like the last one was to salvage the date reserved for Manny and Floyd. But Floyd said he had no intentions to box and was on vacation. Like Clottey, Margarito was with Arum so negotiations was easier. They get all the money plus the story line was Manny going for his 8th division title.
Moseley: If this fight happens, its probably the combination of 2 things. Moseley leaving Golden Boy and sign for one fight with Top Rank and he has the bigger name than Berto. These 2 things equals money for Top Rank. Marquez is with Golden Boy who is asking for too much, and Sergio might just be too big for Manny.
As you can see, there's extra incentives for Manny and Top Rank to take his last 3 fights. Many thought Cotto was too big, and the two after him were fights to salvage the fight dates. They were both with Top Rank so negotiations and the split was easier. Top Rank gets 100% of the promotions.
For real. Knock Pacquiao down to #2 and Mayweather down to #3. It will end their whole pissing match and force them to fight or shut up. Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez Pound 4 Pound the greatest fighter in the world.
Pound for Pound is a title made up to consider the domination of a fighter no matter what weight he is. Sergio is very good, and should be considered in the top 5, but not no. 1. I think he only fought at 3 weight divisions and won the light middle weight belt in 2008 and the middle weight belt in 2010.
Manny fought Marquez at 130 in March 2008, Diaz at 135 in June 2008, De la Hoya at 147 in December 2008, Hatton at 140 in May 2009, Cotto at 145 in November 2009, Clottey at 147 in March 2010, and Margarito at 150 in November 2010. In 2 and a half year span, Manny fough at Super Featherweight, Light Weight, Junior Welterweight, Welterweight (3 times), and Light Middleweight.
What Manny accomplished is a better definition of pound for pound, not taking anything away from Martinez. Knocking out Williams who was ranked #3 pound for pound does not automatically make you number 1.
What are you talking about? Thats not true. Thats my point. 1st of all the judge is retired. The date was from the Pac camp and Floyd's team said he wanted something closer to the fight. Its so funny how people are trying to spin that. Its not true what you are saying. Show me one thing supporting what you said
I know he's a retired judge. That's why they brought him in to mediate. The judge did not seek Arum and Golden Boy. They asked him to mediate for them. Also, see below:
"Pacquiao had agreed to move off his hard-line stance of refusing a blood test inside 30 days before the fight, but Mayweather wouldn't budge off his desire for random testing all the way until the fight, Arum said. Nor would Mayweather agree to a public apology for remarks he made accusing Pacquiao of using performance-enhancing drugs, Arum said."
Its on the front page of ESPN dot com, I guess im not allowed to put links on the forum yet.
That doesnt even make sense. If nothing changes with the testing then why would Pac be scared to juice? Again, Im not saying that he is juicing but if he was then the media coverage wouldnt discourage him at all as long as the test are the same or he has a long cut off date
I read earlier that both sides presented their case to a mediator. The mediator proposed 24 days cutoff to which Pac agreed. So my take is that from the time the fight is announced (could have been scheduled next week) until 24 days before the fight, NSAC can randomly blood test Pac. This pretty much eliminates this time frame for Pac to use PED's. The 24 days before the fight is what is in question with Floyd, but Pac also agreed to another blood test right after the fight in the locker room. This fact will pretty much eliminate Pac taking PED's a few days before the fight if he wants to conceal it. This then leaves us a little less than 3 week window for Pac to juice. Would Pac and his team be dumb enough to juice in that time?
come on man, thats not true. The whole time Scheffer has been telling them to give him a closer date and they may take it. You dont remember hearing Pac all those times saying he will take it but just not the day of the fight and then Roach saying just to give them 3 days? All the Pac fans were repeating that the whole time when in reality there official stance was 30 days. Again, the mediator didnt really say 24. That wasnt no lesser time. Thats what Arum would do anyways because Pac already did it against Hatton so he had to go there. If anything, you start from there and go lower. How is that doing something when that was there stance from the jump?
Again, you are only really hearing Arum's side. Plus like I keep telling people, there was also way more to it than that. Dont believe the GBP & Haymon hype. Thats just Arum talk. Arum was also trying to force an apology and trying to get GBP to give up there share of Pac's contract by threatning them with a lawsuit otherwise. Its a scam by Arum and you people dont see it. Just like he's dumb and brings some Scientist to tell Floyd that he cant be hurt or 24 days is fine when weve alreayd had 50 other articles on here by experts who say 24 days is a joke and they agree with Floyd that it should be random blood testing all the way close to the fight. What if Floyd wouldve brought them, would it have been a sham if Pac didnt agree to that?
What if the mediator had told Pac that the cut off date he suggest is 3 days? Do you think Arum wouldve took that? Come on you guys, open your eyes. People just feel the need to blame one said or say someone is scared. You have to look at it from both sides. Sometimes things just dont work out. I dont blame either because I understand both of there sides
DLT, I respect your opinion, so I will disregard what Arum has been saying. I will only go by facts.
The mediator said 24 days which is fact. How could Arum know that the former Federal Judge, the Mediator, will rule 24 days? It doesn't matter if thats what Arum planned all along, but the Mediator said 24. The thing that killed the mediation is that Mayweather said no, and ended the negotiations. My point is that because Floyd was unwilling to even give an alternative that would work for him killed the fight.
instead of blaming one man(FLOYD)...everyone needs to stop and think:
1.WHY DOES PAC NOT WANT THE TESTS...WHY OH WHY..??????????
am not saying hes on anything but if it were me i would want to beat up the guy who been talking sh*t and prove am not juicing..what has he got to lose apart from a beating in the ring......lol..
PLEASE,SOMEONE MAKE A THREAD ASKING WHY DOES MANNY NOT WANT THE TESTS??
1:BECAUSE HE IS JUICING??
2:HIS STUUPID ****ING PRIDE??
3:HE IS SCARED OF NEEDLES??
thats real talk right there.....no hate..i luv Manny fighting style too but these need to be answered!!!!! KMT
Welcome to the thread.
1. Actually Pac has agreed to random testing.....just not too close.
2. Both fighters have their pride.....Manny is ok with 24 days instead of 30, Floyd is the one that didn't want to give any of his pride and stayed with his position on Random Testing without a cutoff date.
3. This is irrelevant as he has agreed to random testing up to 24 days before the bout and immediately after the fight in the locker room.
1st of all Im not a flomo. I didnt disrespect you so dont disrespect me. Im bringing facts. I never said Pac was guilty and I dont care one way or the other. I think Ive been the realisest cat on here because I keep telling people that I understand both sides and that Im ok if both say NO but people just feel the need to say someone ducked a fight or was scared or whatever.
As for the mediator, stop falling for the hype. 24 days is what Arum said all along. They had it 30 and then after the Hatton film, they found out it was 24. Dont act like the mediator did something special. 24 is where Arum said they would go anyways but if Floyd really believes that he's juicing then 24 isnt going to be much better than 30. If anything they should atleast try to split it and go 2 weeks. Dont try to spin this like Floyd is ducking or whatever. He thinks the guy is juicing so if he really believes that then he's not going to give him like 21 days of free doping before the fight. Why would he do something dumb like that?
and you guys need to stop with that stupid easy talk. Floyd has had 40 fights and what has he said about every single one of them? Easy fight. Thats what he says no matter who's name it is. Ive said alot more in other threads so I dont feel like going much more into my opinion but dont act like this is some compromise. Arum already had said 24 days after the Hatton film. Its not doing Floyd a favor. If he believes the man is on something then why would he settle for 24 days? Thats dumb
The way mediation works is when 2 parties cannot agree on something, they get an unbiased 3rd party whom would be presented both sides of their respected case. The 3rd party mediator then suggest to the best of his ability a fair judgement that would be impartial to both sides (I am not stating these facts implying that you dont know them, but for the others who come across this post who might not, so they can understand my argument). The mediator then made the suggestion of 24 days. GBP and Haymon thought it was fair. Mayweather did not budge. If Mayweather have at least given a different date or something to work with, then more things could have been worked out to what you've been saying of say 2 weeks but Mayweather flat out said no and he didn't want to cooperate. That's why I am making my argument that it seems he is scared to fight hiding behind his position.
I think the problem is that you have this mindset that the mediator is some special guy. He's not. Theyve used him before and he's like a regular cat to get in the middle of them. Its not like and arbitrator or something. He's basically nothing and thats why either side can walk away. Its no different than basically Scheffer & Arum doing it together like they were before. Both sides want certain things and if they dont get it then its done. Dont act like 24 days is something special. What is the real difference between 24 and 30? They might is well not even do the test because its basically at that point no different than the normal test.
Stop trying to put this on Floyd's side only. If you want to pin it on him then fine but dont single him out. Its clearly equal and I lean towards giving Floyd more credit because I think its pretty clear that from the jump the Floyd camp let it be known they wanted the Olympic testing and Roach said it was no problem and Arum ran to Pac with the contract because he has no problem either. Then obviously they heard something different and totally flipped the script. Then I lost some respect because Pac, Roach, and Ariza were all in interviews saying that Pac will do it but he just doesnt want to do it the day of the fight. Thats what they were saying the whole time while Arum was issuing statments saying 30 days. Its like Roach & Pac were too ashamed in interviews to say 30. If you are ashamed to say it then that tells you they think its bad themselves.
Lets be real man. Arum wasnt going any lower then 24. It was clear and its been clear. He was never ever eve going to 24 until the Hatton film came out and they saw that 24 was the cut off date. Again, what if the mediator had said 3 days? Would you rip Arum for saying NO and thats it? Arum has said NO and thats it way more times in these negotaitons than floyd has. Its clear though that they werent going to agree because both sides have hard stances on it. Also, where did you exactly hear that the mediator himself said 24 and that Floyd said NO and thats it?
I dont think he is a special guy, but he is a very credible one. He is a Federal Judge who makes impartial fair rulings based on cases brought forth by 2 parties who are in a disagreement. He does this for a living on the Federal Government level. As I said before, lets stay with the facts. Forget all that Roach, Ariza, or whatever they said, that was 2 weeks ago. Or the the what if you were saying about 3 days. Let's look at it now where it stands today. It is at 24. That is fact. What killed the deal? Mayweather is not budging on his position. I am not saying he is wrong for his beliefs, just as Manny has his, but his unwavering position is what killed the deal and that is sad for us boxing fans. Just like I said before if Mayweather gave a different date, the negotiation will have stayed alive.
Thank you for the warm welcome. I hope this post dont inspire hate. I know there are Floyd fans and there are Pac fans, but above all, we are all boxing fans.
Before I made this post, I also thought about Floyd side and what he thought. If I was him, there would be no chance I would fight a juiced fighter, but as I said before, with all this coverage and publicity, it pretty much eliminates Pac using PED's, so why not fight?