Im beginning to think that its true about Floyd...

It says "Arum Said". Im telling you that the 24 days was from him and like I said, he also wanted apologies and GBP to give up there percentage of Pac. Dont be fooled by that stuff man. Its Arum talk. Even the articles on here say that the 24 days are from the Pac team and Floyd wanted something closer to the fight date I think there is alot more to it than floyd refusing bcoz of the drug test's if it that was the only reason the fight would be made there is more to it than that..... Like you said pac's team wanted an apologoy,mayweather's im sure wanted the lawsuit dropped,pac's team team GPB to give up their precentage of pac....and there only the 3 reason's that have been leaked to the press..... I want to hear a response from the mayweather camp this is pac's camp commenting of course there gona say it's floyd's fault the fight is not happening..... alot of double standards about this subject unfortunatly DLT.

I know he's a retired judge. That's why they brought him in to mediate. The judge did not seek Arum and Golden Boy. They asked him to mediate for them. Also, see below: "Pacquiao had agreed to move off his hard-line stance of refusing a blood test inside 30 days before the fight, but Mayweather wouldn't budge off his desire for random testing all the way until the fight, Arum said. Nor would Mayweather agree to a public apology for remarks he made accusing Pacquiao of using performance-enhancing drugs, Arum said." Its on the front page of ESPN dot com, I guess im not allowed to put links on the forum yet. It says "Arum Said". Im telling you that the 24 days was from him and like I said, he also wanted apologies and GBP to give up there percentage of Pac. Dont be fooled by that stuff man. Its Arum talk. Even the articles on here say that the 24 days are from the Pac team and Floyd wanted something closer to the fight date

What are you talking about? Thats not true. Thats my point. 1st of all the judge is retired. The date was from the Pac camp and Floyd's team said he wanted something closer to the fight. Its so funny how people are trying to spin that. Its not true what you are saying. Show me one thing supporting what you said I know he's a retired judge. That's why they brought him in to mediate. The judge did not seek Arum and Golden Boy. They asked him to mediate for them. Also, see below: "Pacquiao had agreed to move off his hard-line stance of refusing a blood test inside 30 days before the fight, but Mayweather wouldn't budge off his desire for random testing all the way until the fight, Arum said. Nor would Mayweather agree to a public apology for remarks he made accusing Pacquiao of using performance-enhancing drugs, Arum said." Its on the front page of ESPN dot com, I guess im not allowed to put links on the forum yet.

I dont think he is a special guy, but he is a very credible one. He is a Federal Judge who makes impartial fair rulings based on cases brought forth by 2 parties who are in a disagreement. He does this for a living on the Federal Government level. As I said before, lets stay with the facts. Forget all that Roach, Ariza, or whatever they said, that was 2 weeks ago. Or the the what if you were saying about 3 days. Let's look at it now where it stands today. It is at 24. That is fact. What killed the deal? Mayweather is not budging on his position. I am not saying he is wrong for his beliefs, just as Manny has his, but his unwavering position is what killed the deal and that is sad for us boxing fans. Just like I said before if Mayweather gave a different date, the negotiation will have stayed alive. What are you talking about? Thats not true. Thats my point. 1st of all the judge is retired. The date was from the Pac camp and Floyd's team said he wanted something closer to the fight. Its so funny how people are trying to spin that. Its not true what you are saying. Show me one thing supporting what you said

I think the problem is that you have this mindset that the mediator is some special guy. He's not. Theyve used him before and he's like a regular cat to get in the middle of them. Its not like and arbitrator or something. He's basically nothing and thats why either side can walk away. Its no different than basically Scheffer & Arum doing it together like they were before. Both sides want certain things and if they dont get it then its done. Dont act like 24 days is something special. What is the real difference between 24 and 30? They might is well not even do the test because its basically at that point no different than the normal test. Stop trying to put this on Floyd's side only. If you want to pin it on him then fine but dont single him out. Its clearly equal and I lean towards giving Floyd more credit because I think its pretty clear that from the jump the Floyd camp let it be known they wanted the Olympic testing and Roach said it was no problem and Arum ran to Pac with the contract because he has no problem either. Then obviously they heard something different and totally flipped the script. Then I lost some respect because Pac, Roach, and Ariza were all in interviews saying that Pac will do it but he just doesnt want to do it the day of the fight. Thats what they were saying the whole time while Arum was issuing statments saying 30 days. Its like Roach & Pac were too ashamed in interviews to say 30. If you are ashamed to say it then that tells you they think its bad themselves. Lets be real man. Arum wasnt going any lower then 24. It was clear and its been clear. He was never ever eve going to 24 until the Hatton film came out and they saw that 24 was the cut off date. Again, what if the mediator had said 3 days? Would you rip Arum for saying NO and thats it? Arum has said NO and thats it way more times in these negotaitons than floyd has. Its clear though that they werent going to agree because both sides have hard stances on it. Also, where did you exactly hear that the mediator himself said 24 and that Floyd said NO and thats it? I dont think he is a special guy, but he is a very credible one. He is a Federal Judge who makes impartial fair rulings based on cases brought forth by 2 parties who are in a disagreement. He does this for a living on the Federal Government level. As I said before, lets stay with the facts. Forget all that Roach, Ariza, or whatever they said, that was 2 weeks ago. Or the the what if you were saying about 3 days. Let's look at it now where it stands today. It is at 24. That is fact. What killed the deal? Mayweather is not budging on his position. I am not saying he is wrong for his beliefs, just as Manny has his, but his unwavering position is what killed the deal and that is sad for us boxing fans. Just like I said before if Mayweather gave a different date, the negotiation will have stayed alive.

PBF has always been scared, so obviously he will be even more scared against the best boxer he ever fought. He was so scared of the unbeaten Hatton, that he had a talk with the referee before the fight about Hattons supposedly dirty tactics for extra protection, on top of weight advantage PBF had and home advantage. He then over the course of the fight elbowed hatton repeatly, and no warning from the ref. The ref concentrated on Hattons dirty tactics that he forgot to look out for PBF. Crafty PBF is. That is why he is unbeaten. And PBF knows whats he got to do to keep it that way. Are you serious??? So your saying basically that the only reason floyd won that fight is bcoz of the ref?....GTFOH Floyd beats hatton all day everyday completely different class of boxer..... This floyd is scared is bullsh*t... Why you tink floyd fought marquez?? to setup this fight there is no way in hell floyd is afraid of pac..... floyd wants pac for money and legacy.....

DLT, I respect your opinion, so I will disregard what Arum has been saying. I will only go by facts. The mediator said 24 days which is fact. How could Arum know that the former Federal Judge, the Mediator, will rule 24 days? It doesn't matter if thats what Arum planned all along, but the Mediator said 24. The thing that killed the mediation is that Mayweather said no, and ended the negotiations. My point is that because Floyd was unwilling to even give an alternative that would work for him killed the fight. The man's got a point. In my opinion, I think 24 days is still a little too far away. If Floyd offered another alternative rather than flat out reject this offer, it would've put Manny in the position of deciding if the fight goes through or not. 2 weeks does seem reasonable. He should have negotiated with that offer or something.

DLT, I respect your opinion, so I will disregard what Arum has been saying. I will only go by facts. The mediator said 24 days which is fact. How could Arum know that the former Federal Judge, the Mediator, will rule 24 days? It doesn't matter if thats what Arum planned all along, but the Mediator said 24. The thing that killed the mediation is that Mayweather said no, and ended the negotiations. My point is that because Floyd was unwilling to even give an alternative that would work for him killed the fight. I think the problem is that you have this mindset that the mediator is some special guy. He's not. Theyve used him before and he's like a regular cat to get in the middle of them. Its not like and arbitrator or something. He's basically nothing and thats why either side can walk away. Its no different than basically Scheffer & Arum doing it together like they were before. Both sides want certain things and if they dont get it then its done. Dont act like 24 days is something special. What is the real difference between 24 and 30? They might is well not even do the test because its basically at that point no different than the normal test. Stop trying to put this on Floyd's side only. If you want to pin it on him then fine but dont single him out. Its clearly equal and I lean towards giving Floyd more credit because I think its pretty clear that from the jump the Floyd camp let it be known they wanted the Olympic testing and Roach said it was no problem and Arum ran to Pac with the contract because he has no problem either. Then obviously they heard something different and totally flipped the script. Then I lost some respect because Pac, Roach, and Ariza were all in interviews saying that Pac will do it but he just doesnt want to do it the day of the fight. Thats what they were saying the whole time while Arum was issuing statments saying 30 days. Its like Roach & Pac were too ashamed in interviews to say 30. If you are ashamed to say it then that tells you they think its bad themselves. Lets be real man. Arum wasnt going any lower then 24. It was clear and its been clear. He was never ever eve going to 24 until the Hatton film came out and they saw that 24 was the cut off date. Again, what if the mediator had said 3 days? Would you rip Arum for saying NO and thats it? Arum has said NO and thats it way more times in these negotaitons than floyd has. Its clear though that they werent going to agree because both sides have hard stances on it. Also, where did you exactly hear that the mediator himself said 24 and that Floyd said NO and thats it?

This is my first post, but have been a long time reader in these forums. I am a fan of boxing first and foremost but also a big time fan of Floyd and Pac. Im disappointed that the fight is off for March 13 just like anyone else. I am beginning to think that Floyd is really scared that his unblemished record will disappear and thus scared of Pac. Why is it so critical for him for the random drug testing? With all this publicity and media coverage, do you think Pac and his team will still take PED's? He and his team would be the stupidest men alive. All this publicity pretty much guarantees that Pac will not use PED's before the fight. All this media coverage will assure him that this will be a fair fight. PBF has always been scared, so obviously he will be even more scared against the best boxer he ever fought. He was so scared of the unbeaten Hatton, that he had a talk with the referee before the fight about Hattons supposedly dirty tactics for extra protection, on top of weight advantage PBF had and home advantage. He then over the course of the fight elbowed hatton repeatly, and no warning from the ref. The ref concentrated on Hattons dirty tactics that he forgot to look out for PBF. Crafty PBF is. That is why he is unbeaten. And PBF knows whats he got to do to keep it that way.

come on man, thats not true. The whole time Scheffer has been telling them to give him a closer date and they may take it. You dont remember hearing Pac all those times saying he will take it but just not the day of the fight and then Roach saying just to give them 3 days? All the Pac fans were repeating that the whole time when in reality there official stance was 30 days. Again, the mediator didnt really say 24. That wasnt no lesser time. Thats what Arum would do anyways because Pac already did it against Hatton so he had to go there. If anything, you start from there and go lower. How is that doing something when that was there stance from the jump? Again, you are only really hearing Arum's side. Plus like I keep telling people, there was also way more to it than that. Dont believe the GBP & Haymon hype. Thats just Arum talk. Arum was also trying to force an apology and trying to get GBP to give up there share of Pac's contract by threatning them with a lawsuit otherwise. Its a scam by Arum and you people dont see it. Just like he's dumb and brings some Scientist to tell Floyd that he cant be hurt or 24 days is fine when weve alreayd had 50 other articles on here by experts who say 24 days is a joke and they agree with Floyd that it should be random blood testing all the way close to the fight. What if Floyd wouldve brought them, would it have been a sham if Pac didnt agree to that? What if the mediator had told Pac that the cut off date he suggest is 3 days? Do you think Arum wouldve took that? Come on you guys, open your eyes. People just feel the need to blame one said or say someone is scared. You have to look at it from both sides. Sometimes things just dont work out. I dont blame either because I understand both of there sides DLT, I respect your opinion, so I will disregard what Arum has been saying. I will only go by facts. The mediator said 24 days which is fact. How could Arum know that the former Federal Judge, the Mediator, will rule 24 days? It doesn't matter if thats what Arum planned all along, but the Mediator said 24. The thing that killed the mediation is that Mayweather said no, and ended the negotiations. My point is that because Floyd was unwilling to even give an alternative that would work for him killed the fight.

The way mediation works is when 2 parties cannot agree on something, they get an unbiased 3rd party whom would be presented both sides of their respected case. The 3rd party mediator then suggest to the best of his ability a fair judgement that would be impartial to both sides (I am not stating these facts implying that you dont know them, but for the others who come across this post who might not, so they can understand my argument). The mediator then made the suggestion of 24 days. GBP and Haymon thought it was fair. Mayweather did not budge. If Mayweather have at least given a different date or something to work with, then more things could have been worked out to what you've been saying of say 2 weeks but Mayweather flat out said no and he didn't want to cooperate. That's why I am making my argument that it seems he is scared to fight hiding behind his position. Hold on a second Top rank said GBP and Haymon thought it was fair,this could be more BS coming from the pac camp. I firmly believe there is more to it bocz I tink mayweather wpuld agree to this to me its fair they are meeting halfway and he has agreed to random urine test's throughout which are sufficient.... I await to hear from mayweather's camp until commenting further.......

instead of blaming one man(FLOYD)...everyone needs to stop and think: 1.WHY DOES PAC NOT WANT THE TESTS...WHY OH WHY..?????????? am not saying hes on anything but if it were me i would want to beat up the guy who been talking sh*t and prove am not juicing..what has he got to lose apart from a beating in the ring......lol.. PLEASE,SOMEONE MAKE A THREAD ASKING WHY DOES MANNY NOT WANT THE TESTS?? 1:BECAUSE HE IS JUICING?? 2:HIS STUUPID ****ING PRIDE?? 3:HE IS SCARED OF NEEDLES?? thats real talk right there.....no hate..i luv Manny fighting style too but these need to be answered!!!!! KMT Welcome to the thread. 1. Actually Pac has agreed to random testing.....just not too close. 2. Both fighters have their pride.....Manny is ok with 24 days instead of 30, Floyd is the one that didn't want to give any of his pride and stayed with his position on Random Testing without a cutoff date. 3. This is irrelevant as he has agreed to random testing up to 24 days before the bout and immediately after the fight in the locker room.

The way mediation works is when 2 parties cannot agree on something, they get an unbiased 3rd party whom would be presented both sides of their respected case. The 3rd party mediator then suggest to the best of his ability a fair judgement that would be impartial to both sides (I am not stating these facts implying that you dont know them, but for the others who come across this post who might not, so they can understand my argument). The mediator made a the suggestion of 24 days. GBP and Haymon thought it was fair. Mayweather did not budge. If Mayweather have at least given a different date or something to work with, then more things could have been worked out to what you've been saying of say 2 weeks but Mayweather flat out said no and he didn't want to cooperate. come on man, thats not true. The whole time Scheffer has been telling them to give him a closer date and they may take it. You dont remember hearing Pac all those times saying he will take it but just not the day of the fight and then Roach saying just to give them 3 days? All the Pac fans were repeating that the whole time when in reality there official stance was 30 days. Again, the mediator didnt really say 24. That wasnt no lesser time. Thats what Arum would do anyways because Pac already did it against Hatton so he had to go there. If anything, you start from there and go lower. How is that doing something when that was there stance from the jump? Again, you are only really hearing Arum's side. Plus like I keep telling people, there was also way more to it than that. Dont believe the GBP & Haymon hype. Thats just Arum talk. Arum was also trying to force an apology and trying to get GBP to give up there share of Pac's contract by threatning them with a lawsuit otherwise. Its a scam by Arum and you people dont see it. Just like he's dumb and brings some Scientist to tell Floyd that he cant be hurt or 24 days is fine when weve alreayd had 50 other articles on here by experts who say 24 days is a joke and they agree with Floyd that it should be random blood testing all the way close to the fight. What if Floyd wouldve brought them, would it have been a sham if Pac didnt agree to that? What if the mediator had told Pac that the cut off date he suggest is 3 days? Do you think Arum wouldve took that? Come on you guys, open your eyes. People just feel the need to blame one said or say someone is scared. You have to look at it from both sides. Sometimes things just dont work out. I dont blame either because I understand both of there sides

1st of all Im not a flomo. I didnt disrespect you so dont disrespect me. Im bringing facts. I never said Pac was guilty and I dont care one way or the other. I think Ive been the realisest cat on here because I keep telling people that I understand both sides and that Im ok if both say NO but people just feel the need to say someone ducked a fight or was scared or whatever. As for the mediator, stop falling for the hype. 24 days is what Arum said all along. They had it 30 and then after the Hatton film, they found out it was 24. Dont act like the mediator did something special. 24 is where Arum said they would go anyways but if Floyd really believes that he's juicing then 24 isnt going to be much better than 30. If anything they should atleast try to split it and go 2 weeks. Dont try to spin this like Floyd is ducking or whatever. He thinks the guy is juicing so if he really believes that then he's not going to give him like 21 days of free doping before the fight. Why would he do something dumb like that? and you guys need to stop with that stupid easy talk. Floyd has had 40 fights and what has he said about every single one of them? Easy fight. Thats what he says no matter who's name it is. Ive said alot more in other threads so I dont feel like going much more into my opinion but dont act like this is some compromise. Arum already had said 24 days after the Hatton film. Its not doing Floyd a favor. If he believes the man is on something then why would he settle for 24 days? Thats dumb The way mediation works is when 2 parties cannot agree on something, they get an unbiased 3rd party whom would be presented both sides of their respected case. The 3rd party mediator then suggest to the best of his ability a fair judgement that would be impartial to both sides (I am not stating these facts implying that you dont know them, but for the others who come across this post who might not, so they can understand my argument). The mediator then made the suggestion of 24 days. GBP and Haymon thought it was fair. Mayweather did not budge. If Mayweather have at least given a different date or something to work with, then more things could have been worked out to what you've been saying of say 2 weeks but Mayweather flat out said no and he didn't want to cooperate. That's why I am making my argument that it seems he is scared to fight hiding behind his position.

instead of blaming one man(FLOYD)...everyone needs to stop and think: 1.WHY DOES PAC NOT WANT THE TESTS...WHY OH WHY..?????????? am not saying hes on anything but if it were me i would want to beat up the guy who been talking sh*t and prove am not juicing..what has he got to lose apart from a beating in the ring......lol.. PLEASE,SOMEONE MAKE A THREAD ASKING WHY DOES MANNY NOT WANT THE TESTS?? 1:BECAUSE HE IS JUICING?? 2:HIS STUUPID ****ING PRIDE?? 3:HE IS SCARED OF NEEDLES?? thats real talk right there.....no hate..i luv Manny fighting style too but these need to be answered!!!!! KMT

1st of all Im not a flomo. I didnt disrespect you so dont disrespect me. Im bringing facts. I never said Pac was guilty and I dont care one way or the other. I think Ive been the realisest cat on here because I keep telling people that I understand both sides and that Im ok if both say NO but people just feel the need to say someone ducked a fight or was scared or whatever. As for the mediator, stop falling for the hype. 24 days is what Arum said all along. They had it 30 and then after the Hatton film, they found out it was 24. Dont act like the mediator did something special. 24 is where Arum said they would go anyways but if Floyd really believes that he's juicing then 24 isnt going to be much better than 30. If anything they should atleast try to split it and go 2 weeks. Dont try to spin this like Floyd is ducking or whatever. He thinks the guy is juicing so if he really believes that then he's not going to give him like 21 days of free doping before the fight. Why would he do something dumb like that? and you guys need to stop with that stupid easy talk. Floyd has had 40 fights and what has he said about every single one of them? Easy fight. Thats what he says no matter who's name it is. Ive said alot more in other threads so I dont feel like going much more into my opinion but dont act like this is some compromise. Arum already had said 24 days after the Hatton film. Its not doing Floyd a favor. If he believes the man is on something then why would he settle for 24 days? Thats dumb

I read earlier that both sides presented their case to a mediator. The mediator proposed 24 days cutoff to which Pac agreed. So my take is that from the time the fight is announced (could have been scheduled next week) until 24 days before the fight, NSAC can randomly blood test Pac. This pretty much eliminates this time frame for Pac to use PED's. The 24 days before the fight is what is in question with Floyd, but Pac also agreed to another blood test right after the fight in the locker room. This fact will pretty much eliminate Pac taking PED's a few days before the fight if he wants to conceal it. This then leaves us a little less than 3 week window for Pac to juice. Would Pac and his team be dumb enough to juice in that time? Logic logic logic.. Floyd fans dont understand this.. Just call them a flomo.. and Floyd a chicken.. they understand that pretty well..

That doesnt even make sense. If nothing changes with the testing then why would Pac be scared to juice? Again, Im not saying that he is juicing but if he was then the media coverage wouldnt discourage him at all as long as the test are the same or he has a long cut off date I read earlier that both sides presented their case to a mediator. The mediator proposed 24 days cutoff to which Pac agreed. So my take is that from the time the fight is announced (could have been scheduled next week) until 24 days before the fight, NSAC can randomly blood test Pac. This pretty much eliminates this time frame for Pac to use PED's. The 24 days before the fight is what is in question with Floyd, but Pac also agreed to another blood test right after the fight in the locker room. This fact will pretty much eliminate Pac taking PED's a few days before the fight if he wants to conceal it. This then leaves us a little less than 3 week window for Pac to juice. Would Pac and his team be dumb enough to juice in that time?

but what if they really believe he is juicing? That is the biggest part but I think people are still overlooking it. People are looking at it like a gimmick or a mind game or a way to duck, but I think they really believe he is possibly doing something. If thats the case then he's not going to fight him unless they take the test. I dont think he's scared of Pac or tough fights. I think he will fight someone on the 13th and then fight the Berto-Mosley winner and hope Pac comes back after that 1. He's never been caught before 2. Floyd claimed Pac was easy work and outta nowhere he thinks Pac is on roids...his father made the accusations well before this fight was being made from wat I remember 3. If they offered 30 days(an entire month) instead of 24 and Floyd still didn't wanna fight...he looks like the bad guy If #3 is true there is no way you can possibly side with Floyd here...