Oscar De La Hoya does not deserve a big fight, when will his fucking name stop qualifying him? he is not in line to face someone who beat a guy who beat someone who whipped HIS ass twice and on top of that Oscar losing his last fight at a higher weight level against a smaller, BETTER guy and losing 3 of his last 5 fights, how does this fucking primadonna get the honor bestowed upon him to face Miguel Cotto? a direct chance at a MAJOR title? I would rather see a Judah rematch because at least he deserves it, he been screaming rematch since the post fight interview and has been winning all of his last few fights but Oscar? get the fuck out of here..
I totally agree. I'm sick and tired of Oscar swooping in and trying to get the big fights. He doesnt deserve to fight Cotto. Paul Williams does. You know why? Because hes actually won his last few fights. DLH has lost 3 of his last 5fights and his last win is against Ricardo "the human punching bag" Mayorga.
He needs to take a step back and let the best fight the best.
With that said, DLH fighting Cotto is great for the sport because DLH has a huge following and would help build Cottos fanbase when Cotto knocks DLH's head into the 10th row.
I love MMA and boxing both. I don't understand why people can't have respect for both sports.
When someone says "oh they are just dry humping on the floor" it makes me laugh. Wrestling and Jiu Jitsu takes a long time to master, it takes decades to earn a black belt in many cases and thats just one small aspect of Mixed Martial Arts.
You have guys who are going on 30 years old and have been training BJJ for 20 years yet are still not even masters. You have Olympic athletes who have earned gold medals, much like boxing and have been in sports and competing since almost birth.
The Ultimate Fighter finale was far better then the Hatton vs Floyd card. Simply because the under card on Undefeated sucked horribly, while almost every single fight on the TUF finale was a good matchup that showed tons of skills.
I wouldn't be surprised if TUF finale had more viewers simply because it was on a free TV but there is no doubt that the night belonged to Hatton Vs Mayweather in terms of interest.
The ultimate fighter series is not that good, and to even compare it to literally one of the most hyped fights in boxing in many years is kind of stupid.
Mixed Martial Arts is a new sport and there is FAR more to the sport then the UFC. The fighters on TUF are generally on beginners, like watching a boxing fight against guys who have 1-0 pro records.
Just because you are posting on "boxingscene" doesn't give you a right to bash another sport. Both boxers and MMA fighters are talented athletes who deserve the respect of everyone."
I'm an MMA fan as well but the fighters on the TUF show this year were nothing short of miserable. Im not even kidding, I can get a guy off the street and he could beat the living crap out of half those guys on that show. So I disagree that those fights took tremendous skill. Most of those guys have very limited backgrounds in MMA.
The fighters at the top of MMA have tremendous skills in my opinion. But the sport is getting incredibly watered down with wannabe tough guys with absolutely no skill.
There were two fantastic fights on the TUF finale. J-Roc/War machine and the Huerta/Guida fights were outstanding. But whats with the War Machine nickname. How old are they? 4 years old. Whats next? Are we going to get tag-team matches featuring the legion of doom and Harlem Heat?
Also people in boxing dont pay to see undercard fights. Lets be honest most people dont even attend the undercard fights. They wanted to see one fight and one fight only. THat was the Hatton/Mayweather fight and I thought it was a pretty bad ass fight. Great fight, great atmosphere. Some may think it was an ugly fight but most of my friends who prefer MMA over boxing LOVED the Hatton/Mayweather fight.
Undercards are more of a priority in MMA because of the duration of the fights. Fights can end in 30 seconds, 2 minutes etc.. ie) Rampage/Liddell.
I would favor DLH in that matchup personally, but the fact that you could only come up with 1 basiclly proves my point anyways.
Face it Oscar is a contender and is NOT washed up.
Karmazin could beat Oscar as well as Forrest possibly.
And yes Oscar is washed up. The guy lost 3 of his last 5 fights going into the Floyd fight. He beat Mayorga who is nothing more than a punching bag.
A prime Oscar would have destroyed Mayweather. The bottom line is Oscar wanted to win the fight but didnt want it bad enough. He faded down the stretch and went away from the jab.
I wrote this in another thread. Rampage hits about HALF of an average HW boxer.
This is a quote from another site. And I too have done some research on the measuring criteria.
it was total force, not force per area. 1800 lb from the whole fist with glove on. He has huge hands, must have been at least 5 sq inches in contact area, so 1800/5 = 360lb/in^2. Average HW' punch is 700 lb/in^2 so Ramage's punch is about half of an average HW boxer.
In his fight with Chuck he hit him with that exact shot square on the jaw. We all know how that turned out.
Im not an MMA hater and in fact im a huge MMA fan but if Rampage hit as hard as people think he does which he doesnt going by the criteria used, he would be knocking people out at an alarming rate.
Liddell got knocked out because he didnt see the punch coming not because the punch was powerful.
Like saying Mayweather is an easier fight for DLH than Cotto?
It is physically an easier fight with Mayweather. Cotto like Mayweather will beat DLH but the difference is DLH would have every rib in his body broken whereas with Mayweather he will just play tag.
Davis, Lytll and Sakara are not top 20. Their are dozens of fighters just like them. They ARE top 20 in the UFC obviously, but UFC has a small portion of the fighters in the world.
Hopkins started training before prison, much like BJ was learning from his father since he was born. He just never went to an actual class until he was older.
As far as GSP, Joslin and others go it depends on the person they are learning from. GSP was learning JJ long before he went to Renzo. So was Joslin. You can also be a brown belt for years. Anderson Silva was a brown belt for 5 years. Wanderlei for 7. GSP has wrestled with the Canadian Olympic wrestling team since he was a teenager. He never had a wrestling background in school, but thats not how things work in Canada. IN fact, I live in Toronto and don't know a single HS with a wrestling program. You wrestler outside of school mainly.
The reason the "best" fighters don't always win is because their is that elemental of anything can happen. IN boxing, you can make mistakes. You can fuck up 10 times. In MMA if you fuck up ONCE it's over. It takes huge skill to be undefeated. Thats why MMA takes so much skill. If you make one mistake, it's all over. It really separates the best from the average. If you can sit their and tell me Floyd has never made a mistake you would be wrong.
Could Floyd be good at MMA? Of course. He would need to train for years and work his way up from the bottom. He has the skill obviously. Just like MMA fighters could be good at boxing if they worked hard enough.
However Floyd doesn't have the time to do this. He is to old. He would have to change every single thing he learned in boxing, from his footwork to his defense to adapt. It's to late.
UFC has the best fighters. Bar none. Guys will come into UFC with fantastic records in other organizations and lose rather quickly. Some organizations have some good fighters ie) EliteXC with Nick Diaz or M-1 with Fedor but lets not kid ourselves the other fighters in those organizations are not better than what Lytle, Sakara or Davis have to offer.
Even if they were which I know they arent the bottom line is Davis, Lytle, Sakara werent even top 500 boxers. In fact Davis and Lytle both got KO'd by guys who were ranked in the 400's and 500's.
GSP started wrestling at a club in Montreal in his senior year of high school. I live in Toronto and I agree there are not many high school wrestling programs.
I actually think its the opposite. You cant make mistakes in boxing otherwise you'll lose the fight or get tagged. See Myaweather/hatton. Boxers are so skilled at what they do that if they make one mistake they'll lose the fight or you'll at least pay for your mistake. Look at Liddell in MMA, this guy has been making tons of mistakes in striking and yet never paid for it until Rampage knocked him out.
In MMA, you can expose your back and not get submitted, throw a body punch and not get countered, leave your chin out and not get tagged etc...
The top K-1 strikers in the world such as Ray Sefo, Mighty Mo have a combined 3-2 record. Ray Sefo got knocked out in the 1st round against Chester Hughes who 99.9% of the population has never heard of.
MMA fighters can work in boxing for the rest of their lives and they would not be able to beat even a top 75 boxer in their respective weight class.
Thats not the case.
The only disgraceful fighters are the ones from the newer seasons of TUF. Don't look at them like they are good, because outside of 2 of them they are really not. That show is just to get publicity.
More then half of the best fighters don't even fight in the UFC. The UFC is a small tiny fraction of Mixed Martial Arts. It's like looking at Showtime boxing ans saying, well, thats all their is to boxing.
This is definitely true. HAHA Blake Bowman. HAHA. Im not kidding I can get a guy off the street and he would absolutely manhandle Bowman in less than 5 seconds.
This is the reason why im less into that show. The fighters just arent very good and it markets itself as thuggish and primitive. I dont think it represents the sport as well as it should.
And for the most part the UFC has the best fighters. And in the grand scheme of things its a small fraction of MMA but to your casual viewer the UFC is a HUGE fraction of MMA.
IF COTTO MOSELY only did 360,000 PPV wow.......
Mayweather did Better with Judah.....
Cotto did better with Judah as well. At least I think. But dont count on that.
Floyd's status is definitely selling the fight. The last few ppvs Floyd was in all went over 300,000 and we know what the last one did. Ricky's never even had a ppv and nobody in the states knows him. Floyd is definitely the draw. 20,000 fans is chump change compared to 2 million pay per views.
Oscar got 2 million not Floyd. Oscar can get 2 million people to watch him sleep.
Hatton is the draw for this fight. However, Floyds status as being the p4p best and his personality is doing alot to sell the fight.
Boxers don't just one hit people. Thats very rare in MMA. Boxers don't know shit about the ground game, thats why they lose. These people have been training decades in grappling and boxers haven't spent 20 minutes learning it. They have no idea how to stop an Olympic level take down, and have never been kicked or kneed before.
It would be over extremely fast.
PS, I consider getting choked out cold like a bitch getting beat down just like getting Ko'd is.
Floyd is a master boxer. He really is. However Wrestling and BJJ are NOT his sports. He may as well go join the NBA while he is at it.
PS: getting in takedown range is easy as fuck and not an issue what so ever.
Oh please. Jeremy Williams, Chris Lytle, Marcus Davis, Alessio Sakara have done just fine in MMA despite being rather mediocre pro boxers. Jeremy Williams was pretty good but got his ass knocked out and Davis, Lytle and Sakara were nothing mroe than punching bags in boxing.
They ALL had little to no experience in any other martial arts except for Jeremy Williams who had judo and Lytle who did some high school wrestling. To say that a person has decades in a martial art in MMA is jumping the gun. BJ Penn started BJJ at 18, Arlovski started kickboxing and Sambo in his late teens, Sherk only has a high school wrestling background.
I really dont want Mayweather to go to MMA and I doubt he will. To be honest, if he loses it will just give MMA fans more fuel for the fire. It can only be bad for boxing.
1. Those fighters you listed are not even top 20.
2. BJ penn is a prodigy. He also started earlier then 18. Bernard Hopkins started training in prison and is one of the p4p best, whats your fucking point?
3. AA was in Sambo since he was 4 years old. He started COMBAT SAMBO in the teens.
4. Sherk is a steroid abusing monkey, who is not top 10. However he is an accomplished wrestler. You can continue training wrestling outside of college you know. Just like some boxers don't go to the Olympics.
You're crazy if you dont think Davis, Lytle and Sakara arent top 20. You could almost make a case for Davis being in the top 10. Lytle certainly was looking great against big-time prospect Thiago Alves in UFC 78. But he lost due to a cut. In fact, if you watch that fight you can really see the difference in hand speed and lytle was a mediocre pro boxer in Indiana. And both those fighters strengths are striking. Alves is Muay Thai so its not like he was doing that against a wrestler.
Bernard Hopkins trained in boxing before prison. He just didnt pick up a pair of gloves and hit the heavybag. And like Penn, Hopkins is a rare exception. hopkins has put his whole life into this sport. He eats incredibly clean foods, trains like an animal.
Im not denying that MMA doesnt take skill. It does. But there is just less emphasis on skill in MMA than there is in boxing. For example, Koscheck, Hughes, Trigg got outwrestled by GSP who has no amatuer wrestling background. Randleman knocked out Crocop whos an elite kickboxer. Roger Huerta overwhelmed Alberto Crane on the ground despite Crane being absolute world class in BJJ.
On the other hand, in boxing the best fighter almost ALWAYS wins.
Also, others have received black belts fairly quickly as well. Jeff Joslin recieved a black belt in BJJ in a little more than 3 years, GSP has a brown belt in BJJ after only 3 years. He doesnt even devote his time to BJJ either. He balances boxing and wrestling with it as well.
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Taller fighters give Mosley problems ie) Forrest. At 6'2 and his incredible wingspan, Williams would give Mosley alot of problems and would be a very difficult fight.
Who are you to call someone a liar? That's childish and you have NO proof that he's lying. He wanted to retire after DLH, he's been looking to leave the sport. He is bored, period.
Didnt he say he would retire after the Baldomir fight. Than the money comes a knocking for a fight with DLH. He takes that without hesitation. Than big money presents itself for a fight with Hatton and Floyd takes it because he KNOWS it will be an easy fight.
Floyd is not bored with the sport. He loves the sport. But its obvious money is a huge motivator for him. Why would somebody subject themselves to a 3 month training camp, hours spent in the gym, and hundreds of rounds of grueling sparring sessions if they didnt love the sport. Floyd loves it and he loves the attention. And he wont get any attention if he stops fighting.
Floyd is a brilliant fighter. But lets be honest beating a part-time fighter, full-time promoter is not very impressive. Than he fights an incredibly one-dimensional undersized British fighter in Hatton. And Floyd has the nerve to say hes the best ever or hes done everything he needs to accomplish in the sport. Give me a break!! I have no problem with this guy retiring but if he does (which he wont) than you cant claim your better than the all-time greats.
Cotto is a natural 147 whos hungry, young and determined. Hes a strong fighter with a brutal and devastating body attack. His boxing is surprisingly good as well. I think its a fight that needs to be made.