Look up him vs sammy angott george cliff tony freddie valentine andy nonnels and tony ancona Dykes,same obsolete tech and flaws as the older one that fought gene/jake/joey and others
Ray and this era look to be very overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times, and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves. The Carlos era were able to protect the body with 1 hand while punching to the body. along with all the other advances in movement, along with being way smoother in movements the ray era They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing.
the pacquiao version that fought cotto will be very hard to beat!! that was the version that made the mayweathers go full on retard on ped accusations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO3utZ6wCAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyoB2bl7z0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzMVXLzx59c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpoz05nQ1vA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCOXI7L6NI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk3Q0Tie08
He at his best still looks like a 30s-40s fighter
https://youtu.be/L5OpSAlxqAE?si=JDgP6gTbj8zlfI-- Here is Ray more advanced than in his young years, keeping distance more, using more angles, not as sloppy, better defense still looks like a novice though
only lunatics who watched highlights said SRR would win, he looks like a novice even in his prime in those vids, everyone who picked SRR is a crazy idiot every last one he looks horrible as I said
https://youtu.be/q9Fk7okFYGs?si=nimcx95l5tzYpzAV Here he is in the class he would be destroying SRR at, Manny here is even way more advanced than when he was in the '90s, even the person he is fighting is way more advanced than the whole srr era,I can even post the 130s version, and he still would be too much for any of those 130s-160s guys because he was way more advanced than the whole 30s-40s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO3utZ6wCAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyoB2bl7z0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzMVXLzx59c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpoz05nQ1vA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCOXI7L6NI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk3Q0Tie08
He at his best still looks like a 30s-40s fighter, yet crazy idiots have said the quote for years. If we had more footage, we would be even more amazed. This looks still like the 30s-40s fighter, and in no way does he look close to even an amateur 70s-90s fighter.
So where did it ever come from he would beat Manny at?, as I said looks novice and no one ever even made pro fighting like that even in manny amateur time
https://youtu.be/L5OpSAlxqAE?si=JDgP6gTbj8zlfI-- Here is Ray more advanced than in his young years, keeping distance more, using more angles, not as sloppy, better defense still looks like a novice though
only lunatics who watched highlights said SRR would win, he looks like a novice even in his prime in those vids, everyone who picked SRR is a crazy idiot every last one he looks horrible as I said
Here is Pac in his skinny low 100s class
https://youtu.be/wilLVJew380?si=-nMe5gN64vEYHGJu he he is more advanced even at that weight than the whole srr era
https://youtu.be/q9Fk7okFYGs?si=nimcx95l5tzYpzAV Here he is in the class he would be destroying SRR at, Manny here is even way more advanced than when he was in the '90s, even the person he is fighting is way more advanced than the whole srr era
Look up him vs sammy angott george cliff tony freddie valentine andy nonnels and tony ancona Dykes,same obsolete tech and flaws as the older one that fought gene/jake/joey and others
Ray and this era look to be very overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times, and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves. The Carlos era were able to protect the body with 1 hand while punching to the body. along with all the other advances in movement, along with being way smoother in movements the ray era They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing.
Anybody as advanced as this no name frazier fought that rock fought
oh that's right rock fought in a novice like era anybody who picked him to beat holy is a lunatic
Still overrated to this day said he could beat people in 80s-now which he wouldnt cause of his flaws which people who copied his style in 80s fixed who were more advanced to
Dude you are claiming his technical skillset is overrated, but irregardless of what you think, he skillset overall is one of the main reasons he consistently ranks in the top 5% to 10% all time and at heavyweight. Not to mention this guy beat more a, b, and c fighters in their prime than anyone you care to name.
Do you know what that means. It means you could plop him down amongst these current heavyweights or the era of heavys before his time, and he is going to do the exact same thing with the overrated technical skillset you think he has.
i dont think anything i can see and other eras and if you seen the joe matches tells you this
when joe wasnt as advanced as people i
80s-now and joe was the most skilled person ali fought
that should tell you those dudes wouldnt be able to do the same they all look outdated compared which means your trolling saying bull to the wrong person
your either blind or need to watch era's after 70s either way is crazy to say those dudes and of them could do good in the era's I said
all those 70s dudes would be destroyed by mutiple people in 80s-now they look that outdated i cant help you that you cant see
Be honest. You watched Ali's post exile fights where he relied heavy on experience and think you onto something.
Ali's footwork alone is better than this current crop of heavyweight's entire skillset.
You need help
He is overrated when you have people saying he will blow out the people in todays division there is no way you can go back and watch them fights even Frazier v Ali and say he would beat todays best. When u ask people why they think Ali is the best boxer they will say "for what he did outside the ring" that holds no relevance whatsoever on actual skill. I firmly believe Fury would beat Ali if they fought.
Frazier was the most skilled person he fought and he was basic compared to people in 80s-now same as ali these 2 would be destroyed by mutiple people from 80s-90s
Head 2 head, prime for prime, I feel Larry would have beaten Ali/Clay.
As for their resumes, Ali's pisses on Holmes.
Then again, I feel Holmes would have beaten everyone Ali fought.
To have them both fighting in their primes at the same time would have been awesome.
Your right Larry would beat him cause he technically was better and could cause ali alot of problems which he never seen we never got to see the real ali be it the 70s ver or 60s ver fight Larry
Larry is ali without the showboating/dancing/less flawed
First off, work on your grammar and usage.
Then come see me
If you mean work on meaning talk how you were brainwashed no I don't follow that mindset
and I don't wanna see you i don't wanna talk I didn't wanna talk to you you talked to me crazy person who cant see good
It put him above heavyweights of his time*
Right and that's it only as I said the man was less advanced then 80s-now he would be destroyed cause he was so outdated and flawed
Imho, Holmes was the perfect HW.
A flaw is only a flaw when it works against you.
Getting old was the one ''flaw'' Ali could not correct.
no ali had mutiple flaws they fixed in 80s and its no such thing as a perfect hw
Man, Fury fought 1 elite guy in his all career.
And you compare him with Ali, who fought all the best men in two decades?
I mean, cmon now. If anything, today`s heavyweights are overrated.
Fury fought 1 elite guy in Klitschko. Whyte and Wilder would be bums in Ali`s era.
Your a idiot klit whyte and others are way more advanced then 70s what are you talking about how wouldn't they make if their way more skilled try not trolling saying stupid stuff
sonny a slow easy to read basic fighter who was so telegraphed looked like he had a trainer in front of him saying punch here now punch there looks so bad
a man named acey fought almost exactly sonny in 80s and was trash why cause the era changed that style was to outdated the same would be if the real liston was there
Frazier was a inside brawler bowe was way more advanced even when he first started and he was the best inside fighter of all time
Razor a man who was a slugger was way more polished and had more skill then the sloopy slow george who was a slugger
Ali a outboxer who was reflexes only i can name mutiple people who were less flawed of his style and more advanced in 80s like brigs and tillis and fury who is way more advanced
Earnie a man who is overrated which is a lie that idiots like you have said for years how he hit the hardest even though he didn't threw lunge punches and had no real skills and his tech wasn't that good
George a man who was sloopy easy to read who got by just by pushing and turning people around had no real skill
Slow and wasted alot of punches with hardly any variety of angles he would be destroyed just like son had he fought people in 90s fighting like that
These are only a few names I can name more mid carders who not only showed more advanced movement but skills to all from 80s-90s
Why didnt some of these names do good as foreman or ali like brigs and tillis well the answer is simple the era became more advanced
only crazy idiots who dont watch say a outdated 70s era were special compared to the era's i said
why do you have that name i know for a fact if that's true they dont teach those old outdated 70s style or do you exactly fight like that so that tells me you don't even follow what your here saying in match its bull you know the stuff is outdated and has been since 70s
those exact styles you said which were outdated would get you and everybody else koed fast if they fought a person even in practice which they call spar by a person using a 90s style
Oh and george fought more technical in 90s why did he do that if his 70s form was good enough that should tell you he just like I said seen that 70s style was outdated just like everybody else who was outdated in his time he knew had he came in there with that trash young style he would be destroyed
Some boxer you are..... idiot
That's what I was thinking! Holmes was Ali's sparring partner and learned a lot from him, judging from his similar style.
Larry was more tech less showboating to
Did you even watch any Ali fights prior to Frazier? Or are you one of these guys who just make far fetched assessments based on watching a few fights on Youtube?
Outdated wtf are you even talking about. Today's fighters are too scared to even fight each other. 9 paper champs that don't fight each other is what boxing is today.
Its easy to look like a technical genius when all you fighting is guys thats tailor made for you. They get hit one time and all that technical skill you hollering about goes out the window.
Video proves im right like always with you crazy people never has any of you been able to prove me wrong with these fiction versions of fighters you talk of
He was more flat footed after a 3 year exhile
Doesn't matter even his 60s form is way to outdated missing stuff they had in 80s-90s you need to watch matches
Naw fam you need the help because you in denial.
You put outdated (lol) Ali in a time machine 2022 in his prime, and bet the ranch he is favored over any current heavyweight you care to mention.
Ali's fients would have 'em looking dumbfounded. His trash talk would have them confused before the first bell rings.
Im in denial yet your the one talking on a style that was outdated in 80s with people who were less flawed and more advanced who copied it never had the same success cause as I said was outdated and the era was more advanced then his sure I'm the one in detail your nuts
Find the fiction ali you talk of on video that goes over the real one I talk on
From a solely skill standpoint, I see his point.
But Ali had skills, and one in a billion athletic ability and talent. Add to that one of the all time chins, and a massive heart and desire to win. That made him the greatest heavyweight of all time.
Realistically that’s not even debatable.
No its debatable cause since he wasnt that tech means he wasnt as skilled as people in 80s-now you need to stop overrating
Many fighters from the years i named never would have to have their fighters fight from the ropes like ali did they wouldnt cause the tech had became better in punch tech
Ali never would had have to use it for george a trash tech fighter who was slow easy to read and basic any trainer from the years I seen knew how to easily outbox him or to just overwhelm him
Hey man this opinion is 10 years old. I've learnt a lot of boxing history in that time, not fully read up on Lennox back then. I agree Lennox would beat Ali. Although I don't like saying anyone beats Ali out of respect. Pitting modern fighters to 60's fighters is cringe.
But why is it people still here are saying a man of Ali's style which became out of date in 80s when knockoffs who were more advanced then him didn't dominate the same how is it ali could beat these 90s guys
These people here are crazy either that or blind
Dude again you do realize that "outdated" style put the man head and shoulders above a whole history of heavyweights all time?
Your talking points absolutely have no leg to stand on.
Show the fiction ali you talk of crazy person who can't see good where is the video
Just because he wouldn't be considered the greatest technical fighter of all times, doesn't mean he didn't have a skillset.
Because he is consistently top ten all time at heavy and all time, means he isn't overrated at all.
His skillset carried him places very few could ever go.
Hell Ali's jab was better than most guys complete skillset.
no he is overrated when people say he could beat people who were more advanced when he showed mutiple flaws boxers fixed in 80s-now or did i ever say he didnt have skills you made that up
He was great but I think Larry wouldve beaten any version of him tbh. Top 90s guys like Lennox and Bowe too. Even though this era is pretty weak I think Usyk is more skilled as well.
Its not a thought usyk is way more skilled ali wasnt even tech he was reflexes only he looks basic compared to all the great skilled people you named and lots of others since 80s looks way more advanced then ali
They said Foreman was too big...
KO 8
Lol.
Ali takes this one and test's Lennox's chin.
Lennox TOOOOO SLOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inehc0s0rDs
And nobody that outdated dropped lennox you crazy idiot so no ali wouldn't win you and why did you compare george a man slow easy to read and basic idiot lennox was nothing like him
Who are you to say any of this nonsense?
Qualify your ability to understand what your watching by listing a couple of punches that are not the basic five; jab, cross, uppercut, hook, overhand. You may use google or whatever, you don't have to pretend like you didn't. Just flex on your ability to be able to identify anything beyond super basic boxing. If you can't do that then why should anyone ever give any ****s about your interpretation of any boxing video?
If you want to present a video study, present a ****ing video study. This is fan girl bull**** and nothing more.
you don't have the power to alter footage and change all I have posted,he cares not of words as they cannot change footage,you're words are of no use to I,and all you have said is invalid as video evidence is the only thing that matters
I didn't say SRR is more advanced :lol1: But you did just prove how ****ing dumb you are. So let me type this next bit big, bold, and in simple terms:
You are too stupid to successfully make the case you're trying to make.
Mission success, defeated cult member, name marchegiano a lunatic,
ascended no longer has to speak to you as he has provided video evidence,he is moving on to the next opposition