sturm is a basic european stand up boxer. Just becasue he fought well against an under-motivated, out of shape DLH that doesn't mean he is truly world class. Vargas may know too much for him.
or if they only know heavy, middle, light and featherweights and think that they are the only divisions in boxing.... Then you have to watch fights with them and explain that someome is a welterweight and end up going through all the divisions one by one
Typical? Despite his win I just don't think he's all that. He's a tough kid and comes prepared but in terms of punching power, accuracy and all I just don't think he's better than several guys.
I do give him credit for his poise and ring generalship but only because of the home cookin ... he won't be allowed all that rough house shit, foulling and the like anywhere else but in England. He shouldn't be allowed to do it there, either. It's a foul! Against the rules. He should have been docked a point for that flagrant blow to Tszyu's balls. He lead with his head all night and committed several other fouls, nearly as flagrant as hte ball shot.
Poise and ring generalship, let's see if he has any outside of England.
who is rated number 1 p4p who has been a very dirty fighter at times in his career. Mike tyson was very dirty also, so what are you talking about. It seems that american fighters that do anything to win a fight including being dirty get respect but when a non american does it it gets scrutinised.
What if Tszyu had that attitude? Hatton wouldn't be champ now, would he? A champ fights the best fighters, regardless of location.
If you want to gripe about America, do it in the lounge, keep the convo on boxing.
Hopkins or Jones leaving the US? Look, the bottom line is that all the great fighters fight in america. Look at Morales, Castillo, Trinidad, Pacman, etc. It's where the money is.** The fact that the fight was live at 2am in the UK so it could be seen in primetime in the US speaks volumes.
**I've read somewhere that hatton could make the most money fighting at home. If this is the case, good for him... stay there. This is a business and all fighters should do what brings in the paychecks.
s0 your telling me that hatton vs cotto would make more money in america??? that is bullshit, i was at the fight last night and the stadium was as full as it gets! would the mandalay bay or mgm get sold out by that fight??? The fighters that you meniton are all promoted by american based promoters.
Tzyu fought in manchester because he made $5 million, more than he would have made anywhere else.
Its this bullshit of people saying 'he needs to fight in america' that makes me say that, its not political. Your right it shouldn't matter where a fighter fights, but the fact is that it has almost become a cliche in boxing.
The fact that mraler, castillo and coralles have major fan bases in the states is the reason that they fight over there.
the bodyshots get to gatti in a round 7. He doesn't have the speed the to keep hatton of with his jab. it would be exciting while it last casue gatti brings everything.
i wonder if cotto beat tzyu less convincingly than hatton where you amrericans would rank him!! probably around 4 or 5...... yet you are sceptical to give hatton his props, typical!
why on earth does hatton have to go to america to prove himself. he is the champ now let people chase him. It is that attitude that adds to the fact that america is the most hated country in the world. when did hopkins ever leave the US or jones. the fact is that hatton would fight anywhere and his fans would follow him and would be more vocal than any american fans therefore making it seem nlike he was the home fighter anyway.
i think he just got exposed. Back in 89/89 they were arguing that he was in the top 3 heavyweights of all time! Lets not forget the shitty era he fought in. Maybe he fullfilled his potential. Afterall on paper, the greatest fighters he ever fought were lewis and holyfield (aside form an old holmes) and he was a 2 round fighter by then.
Frank Bruno was a pretty damn good fighter (former wbc champion) 38 KO's in 40 wins Tyson KO'd him twice
so was Donovan Razor Ruddock
Bruce Seldon (Former WBA champion)
First man ever to knock down Michael Spinx, (let alone KO him)
Michal Spinx former Lt heavyweight champion and heavyweight champion
Alex Stewart
Henry Tillman
Toney Tubbs
Tyrell Briggs
Toney Tucker (Former IBF Champion)
Pinklon Thomas (former WBC champion)
All extremely solid fighers
Trever Berbick (former WBC champion)
James Bonecrusher smith (former WBA champion)
Larry Holmes (former undisputed champion)
pretty solid list of heavyweights
Sorry but no, i aint agreeing with that. There were champions, but were all equally bad. A few of them had drug problems. If they were so good then how come we never heard of any of them again. Don't be so naive, just because he had a good record it does not mean he was a good fighter, by your logic peter mcneely was a good fighter before he fought tyson!
And knocking out a light heavy don't mean shit.
steward still reckons that hearns lost to hagler cause someone gave him a massage before the fight without him knowing, thereofore his legs 'were gone'! It all bullshit!
Alright fine but Frank Bruno, Razor Ruddock, Bruce Seldon, middle aged lary holmes, Michael Spinks, Alex Stewart, Henry Tillman, Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas Tyrell Briggs, Toney Tubbs, Bonecrusher Smith, are not bumbs, they are not Rocky Marciano but they are at least as good as Today's alphabet champions.
exactly......!!!! and don't get me strated on marciano!!!!
I never said Tyson was a bum, read the threads...... Tyson is an all time great. I am just saying he possibly fullfilled his potential. It is well established that aside from now the 80s heavyweights were the wrost ever. I never said Larry holmes was a bum!. He was well past his prime when he fought spinks the first time let alone tyson......
The reason that there were so many title holders in that era is because they were all equally bad and tyson ultimately beat them because he was at a different level to all of them.
That is bullshit.....tell me names!!!! No good Heavyweight has ever been knocked out from a bodyshot!!! Anyone can knock a bum out with a bodyshot (even frank bruno)
i said HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTERS!!!!! tell me a good fighter that foreman knocked out with a body shot????
Bruno beat oliver Mcall for the heavyweight title.......lets put that into context!!! Have you seen that fight....cause i have (i bet you haven't) go and watch it and tell me why you think Bruno is a good fighter!!!! He was a bum.
And Larry Holmes fought for another 15 years, true but was well past his prime even when he fought tyson and its not like he won any significant fights aftet that (apart from ray mercer)!!!
Also, he put spinks down with a body shot the first time...... When do you ever see a heavweight go down from a bodyshot?? He had no resistance to a truly big hitter and he shit his pants before the fight!
I see quite alot of fighters go down on body shots, have you seen the De La Hoya vs Hopkins fight, or Gatti vs Dorin.
half of Foreman's knockouts were on body shots.
half of foremans knockouts were on body shots!!!!!!! What a rediculous statement......how many of his fights have you actually seen pal?
don't laugh guys, but tyrell biggs had potential, olympic champion, looked like ali for one round against tyson.............turned out, he cried in the ring!
He landed one punch against lewis and the fight was stopped prematurely (watch the hbo coverage). Who did he beat aside from lewis.......oh sorry larry holmes. Razor ruddock was knocked out by tommy morrison (for god's sake) and lennox lewis.