this guy would have been the 1st one here SCREAMING at canelo for getting caught with something STUPID and gktfo :lol1: !!!!!!!!!!
God you are a moron, some1 with a profile pic like yours has to be a total retard. BTW better to get advice from an online trainer than from 2 guys who's previous jobs before meeting Canelo was working at a butcher shop. They have 0 experience in boxing before meeting Canelo, they are so inept that they even refuse to train other fighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQeZzlV8X2A
Lewis vs Tyson
Manny Steward in between rd 5 and 6, Lewis already dominating Tyson. Manny implores with Lewis to take him out. This after Lewis easily winning every rd. Manny in between rd 6-7 Manny saying there is no need for this guy to be still around. This is after Lewis easily wins the rd.
very rarely do trainers URGE their guy to ko a person when that person needs a dozen knockdowns just to pull even. a real trainer will tell their guy NOT TO DO SOMETHING STUPID AND GET CAUGHT WITH A DESPERATION BOMB.
I guess you never saw Emmanuel Steward in the corner then. BTW Chavez posed little risk tonight.
Totally agree with you here, he does his own thing at this level now. The only time we would probably see his corner having more input would be if he was in trouble like Mayweather was against Mosley in their fight (2nd round).
At least Floyd has some1 with experience and wisdom in boxing in his corner. Canelo's trainers former jobs before working for Canelo was working at a butcher shop. They have 0 experience in boxing before meeting Canelo. They have never trained any other fighters other than Canelo. And when they have been approached to train other fighters they have refused saying Canelo is the only fighter they are interested in training. They are a bunch of ass kissing yes men that Canelo has in his corner giving him conflicting advice that goes against the kind of fighter he is.
OK, JUST TO MAKE SURE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE;
dawson was CLEARLY winning the fight and THE ONLY WAY HE COULD LOSE IS BY KO, and manny URGED HIM TO GO FOR THE KO ?
Here this may satisfy you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4pTT3WkHo
seriously, what difference does it make, a ko or 12 rd shut out ?!?!?!
PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS SEE NO DIFFERENCE !
It makes a huge difference. When Manny Paq stepped up to fight De La hoya he stopped him, when he fought Cotto he stopped him, just last week Joshua stepped up and stopped Vladimir. SO far Alvarez has not been able to make such a statement. He could not do it against Mosley, he could not do it against Cotto, nor tonight. And he has the punching power to do it. His trainers are holding him back. All you have to do is listen to what they say to him in the corner of every fight.
''you gotta throw punches.''
MUCH DIFFERENT THAN
''you have to go for the ko. get in there and knock that guy out !!!!''
next
It is the same thing, you are nitpicking. Taylor was easily winning the fight and Manny wanted him to ko him and make a statement. Manny was never satisfied with just going rounds he was wanted his fighters to look impressive and win by ko. Yes, even when they were ahead in rds. You must know know much about Steward he is known for not letting his fighters coast because he could not trust the judging and he expected great fighters to do great things. So far Canelo is a very good fighter but he has to have some impresive ko's vs better opposition to be great.
He's a top level fighter that's got better with every fight, they are doing their job.
Not fighting dumb is a good thing.
He looks the same to me as he did 2 or 3 yrs ago. I guess I come from a different generation of fight fans where one expects a great fighter to close the show, not always want to minimize risk. BTW you want to minimize risk when your opponent is dangerous and risky. Chavez was a corpse out there looking for an excuse to quit and Alvarez should of been able to oblige him.
If he would of ko'd Chavez with GGG watching it would of gotten into GGG's head.
Why take risks when the guy was winning by a landslide?
It's romantic and all but totally unnecessary and unprofessional
People can rag on Jnr all they like IMO but once the fight was made, Canelo simply did what he had to do
Unprofessional, that is ridiculous. If the guy is ready to be ko'd you ko him. Simple. Matthysse did it tonight and Lemieux tried very hard to do it. That is what makes a boxer become a star. Imagine if Mike Tyson had the attitude your are suggesting. I guess this is the Floyd Mayweather effect on fans., the "just do enough" attitude.
Idiotic thread. So your advice to him would be "hey, go risk losing the fight that you have already won on the cards"?
This is ATG stupid thread here.
Are you saying that if he took a risk tonight Chavez actually had a chance to beat him. Chavez was defenseless tonight, he was no threat to anyone. In my opinion it seems Alvarez's trainers are holding him back. If Alvarez would of fought for 3 minutes straight, he would of tko'd Chavez. But he throws a combo lands all of them then backs off for 20 sec then does it again. I know De La Hoya did not let Chavez Sr off the hook or Vargas off the hook. Holyfield did not let Tyson off the hook, Hopkins closed the show when he stopped Trinidad. Alvarez just does not seem to be able to this. He could not do it against Cotto and he did it again tonight with Chavez. He failed to make a statement. He had a wounded fighter in front of him and refused to get him out of there. And it his corner telling him to be passive.
1) tyson is a lunatic and unstable.
2) ''youre gonna get caught with something stupid.'' that can be said about a guy going for broke WHEN THEY DONT HAVE TOO !!!! yeah, give a guy the only chance they have at winning by SLUGGING WITH HIM (ESPECIALLY when the guy is a slugger !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). snatch defeat from the jaws of victory :lol1:
3) no SIGNIFICANT difference between 12 lopsided rds or a ko/tko. just a bitter ''fight'' fan who wishes a guy would give his hero a chance at victory by getting caught in the CHAMPIONSHIP RDs.
BTW Manny said that in response to letting the fight go on longer than it has too. Meaning the longer the fight goes on it gives Tyson a chance to land something big, so take em out to not give him that chance. U know that if u listened carefully, but it does not suit your pig headed opinion so you try ad twist what Manny said in the corner.
:haha:
wtf does an avi have to do with anything ?!?!?!?
if thats the case, your avi suits you !
btw, if you havent noticed, theres no one here backing your bright idea :lol1:
log off
Or is that u in your profile. Oh man that is sick. Is that what u are into. Your a man-child living in your parents basement aren't you. A 50 year old virgin.
I actually like a trainer that concentrates on one fighter. For butchers they sure did well against a hall of fame trainer in Nacho.
So if they have only trained 1 fighter their whole career then how did they learn to be trainers? They are not former fighters, nor did they train anyone prior to meeting Canelo. So how is it they are qualified? They met Canelo, he asked if they would train them, they saw a meal ticket closed their butcher store and all of a sudden they are training in the big leagues of boxing.
Th answer is they have 0 experience and that is why Canelo looks the same way as he did 5 yrs ago. He basically trains himself.
This is no different than Paul Williams former trainer, just because he trained Paul in the amateurs he became his pro trainer even though he was not remotely qualified and when Williams needed help in the corner there was none to be found.
point me to that fight where manny urged on his guy, who was CLEARLY WAY AHEAD ON THE CARDS, to go for the ko.
Go look at fight when Steward trained Chad Dawson, Dawson was easily winning and Emmanuel was pleading with him to end the fight. Just check some of his Vladimir fights you will see the same or Lewis fights.
1) tyson is a lunatic and unstable.
2) ''youre gonna get caught with something stupid.'' that can be said about a guy going for broke WHEN THEY DONT HAVE TOO !!!! yeah, give a guy the only chance they have at winning by SLUGGING WITH HIM (ESPECIALLY when the guy is a slugger !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). snatch defeat from the jaws of victory :lol1:
3) no SIGNIFICANT difference between 12 lopsided rds or a ko/tko. just a bitter ''fight'' fan who wishes a guy would give his hero a chance at victory by getting caught in the CHAMPIONSHIP RDs.
taylor vs spinks
Taylor easily winning every rd, but Manny expects more, wants a ko. U asked for examples i can give u dozens. By the way I am a Canelo fan, not a Chavez fan. My examples prove I was right and you were wrong about your assertions. There is a difference bcuz on a fighters record its says a decision or ko, you dumb ass.
Its hard to respond to your posts, not because your responses are convincing its having to see that disgusting pic u have up.
sergio almost shltted away his fight with the bum. too much at stake for canelo to take the advice of this online trainer of the year.
But this is not the same Chavez that fought Martinez. This was a washed up Chavez that had nothing to offer. Everyone keeps saying why take a risk. My reply to that is there was little to no risk tonight from Chavez. Alvarez would of risked very little bu going for a ko or throw enough punches for a tko.
BTW, does your Dad take offense of you putting a photo of him up on your profile?
There was no risk, is my point. Chavez tonight was no threat at all. It would of made a hell of a prelude to GGG in Sept if he ko'd Chavez. BTW Canelo's trainers say virtually word for word the same thing in every Alvarez fight. Go back and look at the Cotto fight and Lara. They tell him every round not to take a risk. They spit out a bunch of generic statements over and over.
I know Emmanuel Steward would of urged him to ko Chavez.
What a sh1t thread bro
Man, I can't believe no one knows that famous episode. Must be a Friends fan or too young. Just watch the episode and Miguel Cotto is the only person that comes to mind. I am a Cotto fan, but how he talks about himself in the 3rd person and how Jimmy does it in the episode too is funny as hell.
Miguel Cotto actually did give a very interesting, wide-ranging interview on a Puerto Rico radio station. What was posted here, however, isn't it. Basically, in the real interview, he believes 100% that he won. Cotto says Canelo's youth and weight advantage didn't matter, that he was strong, but it wasn't a big deal. Cotto also asserts that he outlanded and outboxed Canelo. He wants to stay with Freddie, because he feels very comfortable in camp with him, and fight again next year. And, as to rumors of an investigation into Oscar de la Hoya buying the judges off, Cotto feels that whoever has skeletons in their closet should get ready.
I know about that interview, in a way that's part of the joke.
"Miguel Cotto likes his chicken spicy."
Transcript of Miguel Radio Interview Re Alvarez fight & WBC conflict:
"Miguel Cotto fought pretty good".
"Oh yeah!! ... Miguel Cotto was ready."
"Miguel Cotto used some new moves."
"Check Miguel Cotto out"
"Ooohhh!!!!! Miguel Cotto did not go down."
"Canelo was a tough fighter, he hit so hard Miguel Cotto might have a compound fracture". "Miguel Cotto thought Miguel Cotto was going to go into shock!!
"Mig....Miguel Cotto WONT FORGET YOU Canelo"
"Miguel Cotto HOLDS GRUDGES."
"What happened with the WBC title and the $300,000, it was all a misunderstanding."
"Miguel Cotto doesn't like misunderstandings."
"Miguel Cotto and misunderstandings kinda clash."
"The WBC tried to steal Miguel Cotto's money".
"Jose Suliman is the guy who tried to sideline Miguel Cotto."
Jose Suliman, that's the guy who tried to take the bread out of Miguel Cotto's mouth."
"Now, Miguel Cotto's out of work because of Jose Sulliman".
"Miguel Cotto wants a piece of Jose Sulliman!"
"Miguel Cotto GONNA GET YOU Sulliman !!"
"Miguel Cotto's gettin upset".
"HANDS OFF Miguel Cotto!!. DON'T TOUCH Miguel Cotto! LET GO OF Miguel Cotto!!!"
End of Transcript:
Its a parody of the famous Seinfeld episode "Jimmy". Anyone remember, guess I'm too old.
"Miguel Cotto's getting suspicious!"
"Miguel Cotto likes his chicken spicy."
Hahaha, and there's many more quotes one can grab from Seinfeld that would fit Miguel Cotto's style of always speaking in third person.
"Miguel Cotto likes his chicken spicy."
Good one! I thought I put that one in. This could be a running gag,
Link or source of transcript, please. Sounds like you made it up.
It sounds that way cuz I kind of made it up. Guess your not a Seinfeld fan. Check out the episode "Jimmy", about a guy who talks in the 3rd person like Cotto. This is basically Jimmy's dialog in the episode, just replaced Jimmy with Cotto and added a bit. Guess its not going over.
There is always an excuse with you guys, always, at some point you just have to look at the falling ratings and be real.
The first fight you mentioned is confirmed, every other one while great matchups are not confirmed. And if those fights were to be made it would be a great comeback for PBC, but knowing their matchmaking they probably won't.
The problem is PBC is always going to be competing against something. I am sick of guys say, "but they were up against the NFL or up against college football. Making excuses as to why the viewers are not there. The truth is the PBC is always going to be against something. Whether it be the NFL, college football, baseball, basketball. So that excuse is not worth a damn.
Yes, the subject is about Tarver and testing positive for steroids and you're calling for his firing. I'm wondering why you aren't calling for the firing of Jones Jr from HBO for doing the same thing?
Man u a dense as ****. If Jones had a fight on hbo then tested + for steroids right after and he was also an employee of hbo then I would call for his firing, but I suspect hbo would fire him without some public outcry kind of like showtime did to Tarver not too long ago.
exactly. He isn't fighting on Spike he's talking.
Ray lewis was involved with a mans death one that many still question, A-Rod was just an analyst for baseball during the playoffs and he's been caught multiple times. McGwire is a respected hitting coach and he admitted it. Bonds recently just got a job with the marlins as their hitting coach and i can go on and on
Uh, yeah he is fighting on Spike. His fight in August was on Spike. The very same fight he was busted for steroids.