I completely agree
does the truth hurt?
fella came off the floor and took a tonne of flush punches and comes back to stop his 10 years younger opponent. Not to mention a string of wars with the best fighters at his weight.
Yet he's 'not a warrior'.
Stop crying about the ginger kid getting beat
Ever since his true personality shone back in 08/09' calling out Calzaghe and subsequent fights where he Constantly self-praises himself and bigs-up any acheivement he has, however small, i really wonder how anyone can be a fan of hios
if we just talk bnoxing talent, he's so limited and one-dimensional you can't even support him on his boxing ability
He is, without doubt, the LUCKIEST man in boxing:
- losing every round the J Tylor with last seconds KO
- Being outboxed by Dirrell
- KO'ing an overrated Bute
- Now gifted with a bulls*it stoppage against groves which he was 5 rounds down, at least.
His constant bullsh1t self-compliments of:
"I have a granite chin"
"I have fought the worlds best back-to-back for years! WELL FUKING DONE, SO HAS EVERYONE THAT WAS IN THE SUPER 6!!! and you LOST 2 of the fights, do you hear this boasting from anyone else? NO
Even after last night's dodgy jammy gifted win, he talks arrogantly like he's the fuking boss
And his ***head trainer is not much different in the ***head front
Ward has acheived ten times what Froch has and he don't need to keep saying how good he is.
PLEASE explain how youy can like this guy?
"HE'LL FIGHT ANYONE", you do realise all fighters bar one or two, have this mentality, they just dont self-compliment themselves all the time
e.g. "I'M A WARRIOR" ..... How are you Froch? because you get tagged cleanly all the time, exposing your awful defence
ohh your self acclaimed granite chin, yet youve been dropped before
Get this Groves rematch signed!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh dear oh dear
Was a very very close fight with DeGale, as close as they come, but on last nights evidence, Groves is a completely different fighter now and brings much more whereas DeGale hasn't made the same sort of improvement.
Groves has put in a great performance against a World Class opponent now, it's up to DeGale to put himself in that category now.
He's probably going to have to bring a belt or a serious ranking to the table to get anywhere near Groves again
lets be real about this
1 - Top Rank shouldn't have set up a situation where gym time overlapped particularly when it's well known Roach is obsessive about preparations and prone to blow ups when he feels his control of a situation isn't there
2 - Roach should never have stepped to Garcia mid-interview in front of cameras and tried to aggressively get him out of there, clearly the Margarito/Rios stuff still hangs over him
3 - Garcia mostly acted with dignity, but being boxing, he had to stand his ground whilst showing respect
4 - Roach lost his **** far too quickly and shouldn't have called Garcia a piece of **** without serious provocation
5 - Ariza had no business getting involved in the discussion. But, hey, cameras were there and he's desperately trying to stay 'in' with Garcias - and as soon as he joined in it escalated. If he stays in his box, Roach/Garcia work it out without much more nonsense
6 - Once Ariza starts his childish mocking of Roach's boxing-related disability, esp with their history/his short fuse/his fighting background of course Roach is going to react and that's what happened
7 - the kick was a BIT*H move and escalated **** further - arguably caused everything that followed
8 - At that point Roach adrenaline through the roof, Ariza has kicked him and is mocking him, so anyone that comes at him he just wants to get to - so he said things that there's no excuse for
9 - Ariza continued from behind the safety of numbers/security and distance to use just as offensive language and mock the gay/disabled (anyone with a relative with any sort of mental disability would be offended by Ariza) - He showed what an absolute dick he is.
10 - Only issues I have with Garcia are that he shouldn't have laughed even a little at Ariza's 'stuttering' , and that he should have told Ariza to shut the f(*& up in the first place and not make a scene.
11 - Roach isn't a racist, he's a nasty, spiteful screwed up guy who is a born fighter - but he used offensive language in a bad situation and will live to regret it. A racist doesn't keep clients of so many different races.
12 - Seckbach is milking this way too far and his accusations of racism and KKK etc are on dodgy ground. Also if you're going to spend hours tweeting about the offensiveness of a racially motivated remark, you can't possibly ignore homophobic and disablist (?) remarks made in the same exchange.
13 - Roach started this, no doubt, but it wouldn't have gone so bad if Ariza hadn't have opened his mouth where it wasn't needed. So bottom line, there's no innocent parties in all of this, although to be fair, Rios stayed relatively pro throughout (apart from the funny as fuc* "kill em")
14 - Ariza is an attention seeking fool who can't resist the cameras. In the cold light of day I hope RG who I have a lot of respect for realises he doesn't need this clown in his camp
Well their time was up and Roach was in the right for telling them to get out. Garcia just plain out said they're not going anywhere even though their time was up, and then some ****ing retard in Garcia's camp started making fun of Freddie's Parkinson's and I would have been mad as hell too if I had a disability I had no control over and some retard was mocking me like a little child.
And then Alex Ariza's ***** ass Kicked Freddie Roach who is an old man With A debilitating disease.
What they did to Roach was just plain wrong and disrespectful.
Here's the close up of what happened:
I've seen all the videos and I KNOW what happened.
Nah, you're getting it twisted. Time was up, but that wasn't Garcia's fault - Roach came in and barged into a TV interview when his fighter wasn't even anywhere near the gym, didn't need to do that - he could have got someone from Top Rank to deal with it but he decided to be an *******.
Garcia stood his ground and Roach called him a piece of ****. Which is a different level of disrespect to saying I'm not moving just because you tell me to -
Garcia been told by Top Rank to do the interview and that they'd sort the gym time. Roach made a deal of it just to try and assert authority which Garcia refused to give in to.
THEN Ariza acted like a total lowlife and took it to the gutter with the impressions, the kick.
But Roach is flat out lying about the way this went down. He told Garcia to get the **** out and called him a piece of **** before any of Team Rios started acting up. If he didn't call Garcia a piece of ****, or start trying to bark orders around, none of it happens
At the same point if Ariza doesn't start to interfere when it wasn't his argument to have, then Garcia and Roach let the argument fizzle out and it doesn't become this embarrassing mess.
But Roach lies in this video to try and make out that he had no part in this, he did. He started it. If he really wanted them out, then the way he went about it was obviously not going to work. This is boxing, fighters, trainers don't let the opposition feel like they get any small victories, certainly not in fight week. Roach knew what he was doing.
Roach was the one who started this whole mess. HE already had an attidude when he approached team Rios. Robert was doing an interview when Roach told them to leave. It's pretty obvious that Roach doesn't like them that's why he was so quick to call Robert a piece of s_hit.
Now Ariza is a damn fool and was acting like a pathetic schoolyard bully...but Roach was also wrong and very disrespectful. Both of them should apologize
Exactly. Anyone defending Roach or Ariza is just a rider
Generally there's no civilized in the world where you're legally allowed to unlawfully hit someone.
Maybe in the backwater hick swamp that you crawled out of they can't afford law enforcement, but that's how it is in the real world.
usually in most places in the world you can't step to people with that level of aggression and expect it to lead to anything but trouble. Or call ex professional fighters a 'piece of ****' when you're getting in their face.
But as it's you talking, I just think :gay:
Fortunately, the rules in your imaginary world don't really matter to anyone but you.
I don't know of any professional fighters who would hit a disabled man.
Only pus6ies like you and ariza think that's cool.
Ariza is a helmet
Roach is a helmet
Seems like you have that in common with both of them
yeah whilst I think both Roach and Ariza are a pair of absolute bellends, I still take Roach over Ariza in a fight any day. Even now. Roach is all about that life, Ariza is a blagger, Roach would bite his eyes out.
Freddie and TR straight up bull****ting in that video.
Garcia never told him to go **** himself or get the **** out until Roach had called Garcia and piece of **** and told THEM to get the **** out.
Garcia started by just saying give me half an hour because of interviews etc. Yep he stood his ground and wasn't particularly friendly, but it's fight week, both RG and FR are former fighters, fighting men so friendly isn't expected, but Roach was the one who flipped out.
Ariza was the one who really made it ugly, but Roach had already started the fire by then.
I don't know how it is china but that is clear as day battery.
Roach could have easily pressed charges and got him arrested if he wanted to.
good to know we've got a resident legal expert as well as Freddie's No 1 fan on here :puke:
The casinos PAY a site fee of several million for the fight to take place there whereas a fight in a standard arena/stadium the promoter has to shell out a large amount of money in costs and hire.
The casinos want the fights to draw in high rolling gamblers and increase general revenue in fight week so they will pay millions of $ to the promoter to stage the fight in their casino. Obviously this is only for certain fights with superstar boxers like Pac/Floyd etc.
For these 'superfighters' the ticket prices are insane - the cheapest ticket for Saturday was $150 and there were only about 500 of those available, the average 'cheaper' ticket was $300-400, and any lower bowl (the majorit of seats) ticket was $900-1200. Floyd/Maidana it's even crazier. The gate receipts on Saturday were around $8m (not a sellout, capacity is close to 18k) and Floyd/Maidana is already at $14m. Floyd Canelo was around $20m.
Add the site fee on to that and it's a substantial amount of money. For fights outside of Vegas, generally you can pick up cheap seats for $50 (Marquez/Alvarado there's some at $35) and ringside are $400. Even for Canelo/Angulo at the MGM there were decent-ish seats at $60 available but that fight was about perception of Canelo as a big fighter - they needed to fill the room so they priced it accordingly, i expect the Lara fight will be reasonable compared to Floyd/Pac fights too.
So bottom line is there is a different level of income to promoter/fighter by staging a fight featuring a big name in Vegas than anywhere else. For Froch/Groves the majority of seats are $50-60 and a long way from the ring - and if you compare that to an average of $400 for Saturday night then that's about 8 tickets to cover every one ticket - and the costs of putting a fight on at Wembley will be substantial, compared to actually getting paid to put a fight on at the MGM.
There was apparently nothing in the contract about what signage needed to be up in the MGM, although apparently there was an email exchange about it, but it wasn't put definitively in contract.
Basically Arum expects things to never change and just for things to stay as they are in boxing. If MGM had half a brain they'd SELL the advertising space that exists or include it in the package but give it a value. If I was a promoter that had an event coming up I'd want to advertise it to boxing fans going to another event. When you go to watch a band play live you'll see posters for upcoming gigs by other bands. It's simple marketing.
Arum does everything the old school way and all this incident will do is mean that this sort of thing WILL be discussed at contract level from now on , but as I say, if i was the casino, I would be taking back these poster slots and selling them rather than just handing them to promoters.
As for the press conference, same thing, why not hold a press event somewhere where all the boxing press are gathered? It's just common sense - it wasn't competing with a Bradley/Pac press event, it's just that in TR's opinion it's not the 'done thing' to do any promotional activities during another big fight. Well that's just ridiculous. I'm sure the journalists appreciated being able to kill two birds with one stone and get more work done whilst they were all in the same place.
As long as nothing directly competes with a fight week event (which would be a low tactic) I don't see why you shouldn't market a future event or speak to the assembled media about a future event as long as it doesn't interfere with their coverage of the fight they're in town for.
It's just down to the sheer ego war and childishness of these two sets of promoters that this stuff is being blown out of proportion. Boxing promoters deals with the athletes are some of the worst in sports, none of them are particularly honourable or fair and they couldn't give a flying **** about their customers, us, the fans. Arum deserves absolutely zero sympathy
lets be real about this
1 - Top Rank shouldn't have set up a situation where gym time overlapped particularly when it's well known Roach is obsessive about preparations and prone to blow ups when he feels his control of a situation isn't there
2 - Roach should never have stepped to Garcia mid-interview in front of cameras and tried to aggressively get him out of there, clearly the Margarito/Rios stuff still hangs over him
3 - Garcia mostly acted with dignity, but being boxing, he had to stand his ground whilst showing respect
4 - Roach lost his **** far too quickly and shouldn't have called Garcia a piece of **** without serious provocation
5 - Ariza had no business getting involved in the discussion. But, hey, cameras were there and he's desperately trying to stay 'in' with Garcias - and as soon as he joined in it escalated. If he stays in his box, Roach/Garcia work it out without much more nonsense
6 - Once Ariza starts his childish mocking of Roach's boxing-related disability, esp with their history/his short fuse/his fighting background of course Roach is going to react and that's what happened
7 - the kick was a BIT*H move and escalated **** further - arguably caused everything that followed
8 - At that point Roach adrenaline through the roof, Ariza has kicked him and is mocking him, so anyone that comes at him he just wants to get to - so he said things that there's no excuse for
9 - Ariza continued from behind the safety of numbers/security and distance to use just as offensive language and mock the gay/disabled (anyone with a relative with any sort of mental disability would be offended by Ariza) - He showed what an absolute dick he is.
10 - Only issues I have with Garcia are that he shouldn't have laughed even a little at Ariza's 'stuttering' , and that he should have told Ariza to shut the f(*& up in the first place and not make a scene.
11 - Roach isn't a racist, he's a nasty, spiteful screwed up guy who is a born fighter - but he used offensive language in a bad situation and will live to regret it. A racist doesn't keep clients of so many different races.
12 - Seckbach is milking this way too far and his accusations of racism and KKK etc are on dodgy ground. Also if you're going to spend hours tweeting about the offensiveness of a racially motivated remark, you can't possibly ignore homophobic and disablist (?) remarks made in the same exchange.
13 - Roach started this, no doubt, but it wouldn't have gone so bad if Ariza hadn't have opened his mouth where it wasn't needed. So bottom line, there's no innocent parties in all of this, although to be fair, Rios stayed relatively pro throughout (apart from the funny as fuc* "kill em")
14 - Ariza is an attention seeking fool who can't resist the cameras. In the cold light of day I hope RG who I have a lot of respect for realises he doesn't need this clown in his camp
sorry for repeat post - my take on this
lets be real about this
1 - Top Rank shouldn't have set up a situation where gym time overlapped particularly when it's well known Roach is obsessive about preparations and prone to blow ups when he feels his control of a situation isn't there
2 - Roach should never have stepped to Garcia mid-interview in front of cameras and tried to aggressively get him out of there, clearly the Margarito/Rios stuff still hangs over him
3 - Garcia mostly acted with dignity, but being boxing, he had to stand his ground whilst showing respect
4 - Roach lost his **** far too quickly and shouldn't have called Garcia a piece of **** without serious provocation
5 - Ariza had no business getting involved in the discussion. But, hey, cameras were there and he's desperately trying to stay 'in' with Garcias - and as soon as he joined in it escalated. If he stays in his box, Roach/Garcia work it out without much more nonsense
6 - Once Ariza starts his childish mocking of Roach's boxing-related disability, esp with their history/his short fuse/his fighting background of course Roach is going to react and that's what happened
7 - the kick was a BIT*H move and escalated **** further - arguably caused everything that followed
8 - At that point Roach adrenaline through the roof, Ariza has kicked him and is mocking him, so anyone that comes at him he just wants to get to - so he said things that there's no excuse for
9 - Ariza continued from behind the safety of numbers/security and distance to use just as offensive language and mock the gay/disabled (anyone with a relative with any sort of mental disability would be offended by Ariza) - He showed what an absolute dick he is.
10 - Only issues I have with Garcia are that he shouldn't have laughed even a little at Ariza's 'stuttering' , and that he should have told Ariza to shut the f(*& up in the first place and not make a scene.
11 - Roach isn't a racist, he's a nasty, spiteful screwed up guy who is a born fighter - but he used offensive language in a bad situation and will live to regret it. A racist doesn't keep clients of so many different races.
12 - Seckbach is milking this way too far and his accusations of racism and KKK etc are on dodgy ground. Also if you're going to spend hours tweeting about the offensiveness of a racially motivated remark, you can't possibly ignore homophobic and disablist (?) remarks made in the same exchange.
13 - Roach started this, no doubt, but it wouldn't have gone so bad if Ariza hadn't have opened his mouth where it wasn't needed. So bottom line, there's no innocent parties in all of this, although to be fair, Rios stayed relatively pro throughout (apart from the funny as fuc* "kill em")
14 - Ariza is an attention seeking fool who can't resist the cameras. In the cold light of day I hope RG who I have a lot of respect for realises he doesn't need this clown in his camp