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If anyone's jeaolus of anything about you, it certainly has everything to do with money and nothing to do with success at the elite level. All the money in the world is not enough to replace that China chin.

He did take the easy way out. You're taking the easy fights though, which is just as bad IMO.

Publicly traded firm can’t lie that blatantly. They’ll just say nothing at lie. Speaking of shallow :lol1:

Absolutely it’s a success. And...quit while you’re agead if you think you’re going to school me on PPV. Or, bring it on and prepare to get embarrassed. Thanks for admitting I'm ahead sir.

Did you say Haymon had to take care of another fee? :lol1: :lol1: I love how you attempt to shoot down every argument by bringing zero facts to the table. I’d bet you’re one of those BLM loving lefties. No wonder you had to accept that I’m the one ahead.

Yep, by not continuing the conversation you do yourself a service. As long as you continue to admit that I'm the one ahead, we're good bro.

So you ready to back up your bull*****? Or trying to claim victory before any real convo starts? You were the one who recognized that I'm ahead. Stop backpedaling plz.

Anyone hear any early rumors if it sold well?? Hoping it did 400K at least 400k would be a huge failure IMO. Not GGG level failure, but failure nonetheless.

Nice dated info. There is more leverage then you think with getting more of the PPV cut. And its also worth noting that because Fox & Showtime both have their own streaming platforms & their PPV's are being sold on said platforms there is gonna be a certain % of PPV's bought through those platforms that don't gotta give a cut to a middleman cuz they our their own middleman basically. Nice dated info > no info. I’m aware of everything you posted and agree with it. However, streaming services belong to the networks, which still get their slice of the pie. It won’t be as big, but it’ll always be big enough. We don’t have those numbers anyway, so it is mere conjecture ATM.

Huge success since most people don’t even order ppvs they pay cover to watch at bars or theaters and the streaming age is here didn’t canelo g 2 barely crack 1 mil? 1.1 million PPVs, which were over 20% more expensive than this one ($95 vs $75). Heck, it sold 200,000 less PPVs than the first one, yet made around $10 million more due to the ridiculous price tag. It also had the third highest gate in history, which probably won't be the case on this one. Considering the amount of high profile fighters on this card, 400k is a bad number. Not a mediocre one, but not a "success" by any stretch. EDIT: did a little research. Wilder's guaranteed purse was $4 million, Fury's was $3 million. To put this in perspective, Canelo's was $5 million, while GGG's was $4 million. The total of the undercard fighters' guaranteed purse for Canelo/GGG 2 was around $1 million, which is less than Stevenson's alone.

So now the undercard was stacked? Lol We're talking about purses/money here, aren't we? Stevenson's guaranteed purse was superior to most undercard purses combined. When a single undercard fighter has a bigger purse than a complete undercard, it's stacked as hell. Putting it in perspective vs Canelo/GGG: Jaime Munguia, $250,000; Brandon Cook, $30,000; David Lemieux, $200,000; Gary "Spike" O'Sullivan, $400,000; Roman Gonzalez, $200,000; Moises Fuentes, $35,000. Stevenson was paid more than all those guys put together. Hurd was paid around the same as all those guys put together.

Stop Sh* tting on the fight . Before the fight they mentioned if it broke 300k it would be a success . How am I ****ting on it? It was a great fight. Nice job putting words on my mouth.

Dude out here pitching old models like a washed up closer. Then have the nerve to include Stevenson. It's ALWAYS the clueless ones. Are you suggesting that Stevenson was a freebie that the good folks at Showtime gave the promoter? He wasn’t part of the PPV portion of the event, but he was part of the event. The network and cable companies still get paid for airing his fight. Chill and stay away from the caps, it’s just the internet. Not everybody can be ahead.

Yeah, he was part of the event...in Canada, for which there was a separate licensing fee. Hopefully, you understand the difference between licensing fees and the PPV model. Doesn’t seem like it. Stay in the shallow pool. Exactly, Haymon had to take care of yet another fee for a single night of boxing. Maybe you thought that Showtime gave him a discount. ‘Tis all about that Christmas spirit after all.

Do you even math? $30M in PPV revenue is no failure. Canelo vs Khan did $30M in PPV revenue & this was Wilder's PPV cherry getting broken fight. Cut that $30 million to $13,500,000, which is the cut for the promoter. Take away the guaranteed purses from Wilder ($4 million), Fury ($3 million), Hurd ($1 million), Stevenson ($2 million), and the rest of the fighters (at least over $1 million) and you have a whopping $2.5 million left. I'm guessing they spent over $2.5 million on promoting the event. Try bringing up the gate and UK's PPV numbers when they're released because, going by your number, they lost money on this. So much for your math.

Would be a success So 400k on a fight between 2 of the top 3 HW, with a stacked undercard, with guaranteed purses presumably in the millions for at least 3 fighters, is a success? You know that the promoter/fighters get under 45% of the total revenue, right?

boxing in a octagon with 4oz gloves, will be enough to fool the casuals It'd be the fastest KO in Mayweather's career lol

Any time Packy gets beaten his fans say he got robbed, with no facts to back their excuse up because it's all lies. Actually after the fight Packy said on camera that he would like a rematch in Brisbane but later changed his mind. Facts are facts. So because I call a robbery when I see one, I’m suddenly a Pac fan? I just called the dude an old bum, but I’m his fan? You must’ve been a straight A student. :lol1: Edit: What facts do boxing fans have when robberies occur? Are you suggesting that when there isn’t any factual evidence, there is no robbery? Going by your standards, boxing isn’t a corrupt sport. Good on ya mate.

That's pretty well it, Horn was good enough to get a win against Packy but more importantly he scared Packy into not wanting a rematch. After Horn Packy has only chosen to fight bums, low risk for high reward fights. Fair enough too if that what he wants but don't pretend otherwise, don't pretend that you are still anywhere near a top level fighter. LOL please. Horn robbed Manny in his backyard and offered him a rematch in that very same place. If you get robbed in Australia, why would you fight there ever again? Granted, Pac is waaaay past his better days. That’s why, unlike during his prime, he’s not fighting elite fighters anymore. Regarding that last sentence: it’s called marketing. You can’t go around saying “I’m an old bum” and pretend to make millions.

In 2008 Humberto Soto was robbed by Joe Cortez, NSAC director and the ringside doctor against Francisco Lorenzo, to the point Manny Steward damn near had a heart attack on air and the WBO refused to award Lorenzo the belt. Soto rematched him that same year in Lorenzo's backyard, and walked through him. No tuneup in the middle. No controversy. See, that's what a champion fighter does. They don't make excuses about outcomes. They get revenge. Regardless of why you think Manny lost, he LOST!...to Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn, a part time gym teacher from Brisbane, and 6 of 8 independent judges agreed with the decision. Manny should have immediately accepted the rematch when Horn called him out to prove it was a fluke. He didn't. He'll have to live with that loss right along side getting planked by Marquez and embarrassed by Floyd. Because of Manny, Horn will forever be at the top of BoxRec. LOL What a ridiculous comparison. Soto was robbed via DQ, against a guy he literally battered to a pulp. He knew he was capable of easily stopping him again. Manny was headbutted all night long and got robbed on the scorecards. You can solve a ref problem easily. A judging problem? Not so much, especially when chances are you'll end up heading to the scorecards yet again. Champions do whatever they want. Who are you to dictate whether he welcomes the chance of getting robbed again? Yes, he got iced by Marquez and humiliated by Floyd (especially with the shoulder BS excuse), but Horn? Nope. :lol1:

It's got me beat why so called boxing fans want to spoil the image of their sport by unfounded accusations of robbery and corruption, bet that they don't make such accusations face to face. **** happens in life, suck it up and move on instead of wasting energy over an opinion, we all have those, some well thought through and some not. The sport ruins its own image on a monthly basis, be it professional boxing or AIBA. When over 90% of boxing analysts, trainers, boxers, and hardcore boxing fans score the fight for the guy that lost, it's pretty clear that something went down behind the scenes. Horn/Pac is just one of many examples. Off the top of my head: Canelo/Floyd (draw on a card) Canelo/GGG (10-2 card) Canelo/Cotto (11-1 card) Canelo/Lara (9-3 card) Williams/Lara Martinez/Cintron Pacquiao/Bradley Chavez/Whitaker Lewis/Holyfield Hearns/Leonard (second one) Holyfield/Valuev DLH/Sturm DLH/Trinidad Marquez/Pac (third one) How about the Olympics? RJJ vs Korean guy, Floyd, Conlan, etc. Heck, this one's the biggest robbery I've ever witnessed in boxing: Of course, it's all unfounded and done by us boxing fans in bad faith.

Wait a minute... Link: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=800543 Naa, that must be some other Hectari right? BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE! Link: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=804003 Guess we don't know boxing huh :beerchug: I wonder if he’ll reply to this... :lol1:

Dangerous? His hail mary win would be a decision, and we all know by know you pay off the judges. :nonono:

something to do with newborns and parent skin to skin bonding, along with BREASTFEEDING it's supposed to improve the baby's health and temperament with its MOTHER. Bizzaro world we living in when two males are having babies.... Those babies don’t have a shred of DNA from one of those “fathers”. In reality, they are abandoned by their mothers and legally adopted by the dude who’s not the biological father.

I dunno, thats my question. He got Khan’s wife pregnant, so he must be bisexual at the very least.

While Pacquiao was winning rounds he wasn't landing much at all. Even a 40 year old Manny would leave Broner unrecognizable if he willingly ate almost 500 punches.

He was probably juicing, duh. Why are you obsessed with that? He just humiliated Broner without juicing, at 40 years old. Focus on the present, boy.

Another boring fight from a hype job cant wait till mayweather comes back Speaking of boring...

Orlando Salido (Lomaputa's father) should now officially be #1 P4P! Based on what? What has he done as of late to earn a p4p spot?

Skills pay the bills Imagine a world where being a classless retard considered to be skillful; your yearly bills would be paid up in a week.