Srs question, why did Manny Pacquiao turn down random blood testing back then?

How this moron thinks Floyd won the fight :lol1: http://sampleaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/57638986.jpg Lol, I almost choked on my sandwich. You are clearly trolling around and has been twisting what I have said but I gotta admit, that was a good one. You definitely make good clown lol!

We're not unreasonable. I think we are Vitamin C positive :lol1: Vitamin c positive? what is that lol! I should stop arguing with you..your name says it all, travesty...You’re full of it lol!

I see that you're terribly embarrassed and you can't let it go :lol1: It's pathetic. Did you find vitamin C on the prohibited list yet, or what? After you finish up with that, I'll teach you about the specific gravity test :lol1: You’re childish and full of it eh? You dont have to teach me anything cause I just schooled you without looking to any references. I bet, you were looking up everything I say on google lol!

The fact that you think someone is ganging up on you shows how mentally weak you are. Move along, son. It's over. Let me know when you find Vitamin C on the prohibited list, yea? Lol! See how dumb you are? You twist what I said to look good lol! I was initially exchanging pleasantries to two folks in this thread when out of the blue you started teaming up with them. You were lurking in the shadows struck after you’ve realized there were 3 of you and I was only me. Thats how weak you are dumbass lol!

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the other guy you quoted. Sorry my bad, these floyd nuthuggers have been ganging up on me and they’re so fcukin unreasonable lol!

Dude, where is your proof that he didn't have rhabdo? Exactly. You even asked if he had the symptoms of it, but your dumb ass was too stupid to already know that he did :lol1: And that's after I already told you that he had the symptoms, the cause, and the appropriate response for recovery. Now shut your dumb ass up and go look for Vitamin C on the prohibited list. It's over. It was tou who cant orovide any proof about your rhabdo myth whereas the multivitamins and Vitamin c were taken by your god Floyd intravenously. You see the difference fcukin dumbass lol!

Did your feelings get hurt? LMAO. Another mental meltdown. Spoon23, is that you? I speak for myself fool, did I ask for help when you *****s are ganging up on me? Lmao. You are fcukin unreasonable floyd nuthugger👊🏿🐵😂

I clean bed pans and give bed baths but have a knowledge about dehydration, labworks and treatments?lol, coming from a keyboard warrior like you thousands of miles away? okay, fair enough. Why dont you ask a doctor or any educated health care professionals about my posts. I certainly dont have to prove myself to you. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the other guy you quoted.

Stop it already. Go check for Vitamin C on the prohibited list, you imbecile :lol1: You're a complete moron. Look how you've embarrassed yourself here. I hope you learned your lesson. You’re a ****ing imbecile and full of **** lol! I dont learn any lesson from a ****ing moron like you, you’re full of it!🍼🤮

You gave no proof that he wasn't, while I provided you with symptoms that fit the bill, a plausible cause that fit the bill, and the appropriate response for recovery. And again, you've given nothing. Actually . YESSSSSSS YOU FOOL! Jesus christ. How many times are you going to do this to yourself? Just stop. So again, what you are saying is that Stiverne couldn't have had it, though a doctor confirms that he did. But also, and more to the point, you're saying Junior Dos Santos couldn't have had it, even though he DID NOT have to go to an ER room. He went to get checked out on his own accord at the Nike clinic the morning AFTER the fight....because he passed extremely dark urine. What did Floyd say about his urine? Extremely dark. What did he say about his shoulders. Both injured. Thanks ;) Again, where is the proof of Rhabdo. You were the one assuming about this condition why would I provide anoroof you fool! lol! You were just making up Floyd’s symptoms where is the article to back it up tha he indeed suffered from this? None! You are making yourself look bad troll, I dont care about Stiverne or Dos santos or nike. We were talking about Floyd’s alleged rhabdo and you cant provide any proof. Everyone can read all our posts and I bet you’re fellow *****S would gang up on me cause, like you, they’re fcuking unreasonable too lol!

Stop. You make absolutely no sense. You don't use an IV to increase blood volume for over 24 hours! That's actually retarded. And if you make me prove this to you, I will never stop laughing at you. Second, are you really asking me for the WADA prohibited list to check to see if saline is there or something? Are you serious? Dude, look it up yourself. Just fvvvcking google: "WADA Prohibited List." What is wrong with you? The specific gravity test is what is used to check for dilution. Please don't make me have to prove this to you (if that's something ur arguing against above, because I can't tell what the hell you are trying to say). You keep digging your grave more and more. Just stop. You have posted a link for everyone to interpret. And when I stated my interpretation you got ticked off and tried to downplay my opinion cause you wanted me to agree with your opinion which was dumb. You tried to justify Floyd’s dehydration excuse with Rhabdo assumption and even mentioned Stiverne, Dos Santos and Nike when in fact I was just asking for a proof he had a rhabdo lol!

Stop. You make absolutely no sense. You don't use an IV to increase blood volume for over 24 hours! That's actually retarded. And if you make me prove this to you, I will never stop laughing at you. Second, are you really asking me for the WADA prohibited list to check to see if saline is there or something? Are you serious? Dude, look it up yourself. Just fvvvcking google: "WADA Prohibited List." What is wrong with you? The specific gravity test is what is used to check for dilution. Please don't make me have to prove this to you. You keep digging your grave more and more. Just stop. I did not say just plain Saline, why dont you read my post punk! I was asking projibited substances like maybe multivitamins, vitamin c or other supplements or drugs not saline punk. There is no point arguing with you cause you are a ****ing unreasonable troll. I had enough of you genius. Have a nice day and may god bless you!

So you are basing this on Mayweather not coming out saying that he suffered from Rhabdomyolysis? lol. Do you think he can even say the word? One of the side effects of Rhadbomyolysis is.....DEHYDRATION. That's what he said he suffered from, so his statement is correct. What's the problem? The point is that even if he was only dehydrated and they assumed that he could be suffering from Rhabdo, the proper cause of action for USADA to take would be to monitor him having an IV infusion. If not, then they risk taking the blame if he winds up like Stiverne. As long as they make sure he is not doping, then an IV infusion of saline and vitamins 24 hours before the fight is a non issue, which is why at face value it was never made illegal in boxing. Of course you don't want to talk about anyone else because it crushes your whole "I debunked" nonsense when you realize it is only based on Mayweahter not saying exactly what may be in his confidential medical record :lol1: Just give it a rest. You can't disprove that he had that, and as long as you can't, you have to acknowledge that you can be wrong. Don't you agree? Beyond the reason that he took the IV, you fail miserably trying to prove it could have aided him to hide PED use. You went from vitamin c being used as a mask to IV fluid making you superman for 24 hours. It's sad that you're trying so hard to do what you claim Floyd fans do. I am not sure if you have misunderstood my statement jeez! I have clearly debunked your claim about Floyd’s rhabdo myth lol. You mentioned about Floyd may be suffering or may have suffered from Rhabdo and I asked for a proof if he was (no proof as expected) But here are follow up questions assuming he certainly had suffered from rhabdo. Did he pass dark tea or coke colored urine at all, muscle pains in the legs, shoulders? Did they say he was vomiting? Dude, Rhabdo is a serious and even life threatening condition and one should be seen by a doctor in ER immediately thats how serious it is from a medical perspective. Lemme repharse it, one can die from from complications like kidney failure and even cardiac arrest. Now, obviously, this isnt going anywhere cause you want me to say what you want to here and I dont back down or busge either eh? lol!

So let me get this straight. What you're saying is that to have an advantage over an opponent, all you need to do is have an IV infusion of saline 24 hours before the fight, and that will give you an enhanced performance? Congratulations, you have definitively proven that you have no idea what the fvvck you are talking about, and you should never speak on anything regarding sports medicine again. An infusion of IV fluid 24 hours before a fight is equivalent to a performance enhancing drug, right? That's your belief? I hope you own this. What happened, if you had any knowledge of this topic at all, is in the past athletes would use an IV to raise their hematocrit level because they were doping with EPO. That's what Lance Armstrong was known to do. He was also doing it before there were adequate EPO urine tests, but still everyone learned of the manipulation of BLOOD VALUES could be used to aid in enhancing performance. You know absolutely nothing about this topic. Dude, you are tripping all over yourself. There again you mention making the urine DILUTED, and you have still after however many posts failed to acknowledge that urine samples are required to be tested to ensure that they are not diluted by the DCO and by the WADA lab. It's called a specific gravity test. Just please stop. Jeez, Did I say just plain IV saline infusion to increase Plasma volume? Didnt Floyd had 250 cc saline with multivitamins and vitamin c in a 500 saline bag? Did I not ask for a list of prohibited substances from WADA cause I honestly dont have any idea what they are? From my perspective, if you have an increased plasma volumes circulating in your body, you may have have an increased urine production, thus increasing urinary frequency and may dilute the urine output. Specific gravity/density is done to test for urine concentration and if someone is dehydrated. Luis Ortiz and Chavez Jr both intentionally(in my opinion) took Hydrochlorothiazide and furosemide, both diuretics (thiazide and loop) to mask steroids/peds or other substances. Diuretics(water pills) increase urine production thus increasing urinary frequency and may dilute/masks other substances. Just using them as an example to clearly explain the relevance of dilution and masking. ✌🏼

EXACTLY!!!! Now if you care to pay attention. 1. That the infusion was over 50ml is why he needed a TUE. 50ml is basically nothing. 750ml is less IV fluid than is given for a damn hangover. 2. IV increasing plasma values is irrelevant because HE WAS TAKING A URINE TEST, NOT A BLOOD TEST. 3. An IV masks a urine sample BY DILUTION. I've gone over this already. The urine sample was checked for dilution by the DCO and also by the WADA lab. 4. It could distort the ABP if it affects your hematocrit level. Again, he wasn't taking a blood test. He was taking a urine test. There would be no reason for him to manipulate blood values for a urine test!!!!! Going back to the TUE. My point all along was, why did he do the IV infusions without TUE approval/exemption? Rememeber it was some weeks before the approval came out from USADA and NSAC was not even informed. Now, comparing to that stupid cut off date requests, afraid of needles etc by Pac. Floyd’s IV infusion should also hold merit and be considered by unreasonable Floyd’s fan as a sign of cheating to be fair. lol

You're a flat out liar. If you debunked a claim about Rhabdo, that would mean Stiverne couldn't have had Rhabdo., and we know you are wrong about that. Junior Dos Santos didn't even know he had it until the next day after his fight that he was pissing a very dark urine. He went to the Nike facility to have them run some tests and that's when they diagnosed him with it...AFTER HE ALREADY FOUGHT. So there is absolutely NO WAY for you to decide if a fighter has rhabdo or not from your couch. Do you have any honor at all? Honestly, like the other dude said, you come across as someone who doesn't know anything at all, but pretends you do. Dude, you mentioned Floyd might have been suffering/suffered Rhabdomyolysis thats why he intended to take the IV fluids and multivitamins and vitamin c lol! Was it ever mentioned by floyd and his team even after the Pac fight?Big NO! We were talking about Floyd and I dont give a piece of **** about Stiverne or any other bums who had suffered rhabdo while training or whatever. All I wanted was a proof if Floyd had it otherwise it was all speculations/assumptions.

EXACTLY!!!! Now if you care to pay attention. 1. That the infusion was over 50ml is why he needed a TUE. 50ml is basically nothing. 750ml is less IV fluid than is given for a damn hangover. 2. IV increasing plasma values is irrelevant because HE WAS TAKING A URINE TEST, NOT A BLOOD TEST. 3. An IV masks a urine sample BY DILUTION. I've gone over this already. The urine sample was checked for dilution by the DCO and also by the WADA lab. 4. It could distort the ABP if it affects your hematocrit level. Again, he wasn't taking a blood test. He was taking a urine test. There would be no reason for him to manipulate blood values for a urine test!!!!! I have a different interpretation and you should pay attention lol! 1. Increasing the plasma volumes- not pertaining to any tests, could simply trying to gain an advantage by increasing the plasma/blood volumes circulating in the body. 2. could mask a prohibited substance- this will be the test right here. If the body has increased plasma volume, in order to maintain normal circulation, the body would trigger the kidneys to excrete the extra fluid thus making the urine output diluted and could potentially masks other prohibited substance. You prolly heard about only traces of banned substance caught from Canelo and Povetkin right? Same explanation/principle, some cheaters would either take meds/substance not banned or simply take iv fluid infusion to mask and/or dilute the sample/s to be tested by either USADA or VADA. Do you have a WADA list of prohibited substance/drugs? Its missing in the link

We know why you're done. I posted you the document stating that directly from WADA. Do you need it again :lol1: This is why you get no respect. When presented with evidence that proves you're wrong, you ignore it and keep going with your agenda, all the while being on the "leave Manny alone" train. Of course the athlete's health and safety is the #1 priority when dealing with Therapeutic Use. What the hell would you think it would be? That's the whole damn reason for a Therapeutic Use Exemption. The link was informative and it clearly said that, while TUE can be an exemption, over 50 ml iv infusion is prohibited. How much did Floyd use again in his infusion before the Pac fight? Right, 250 ml normal saline with multivitamins and 500 cc normal saline with vitamin c before his TUE application was approved. The link you posted also states that iv infusion could enhance performance by increasing plasma volumes, mask prohibited substance and distort athlete’s biological. passport.

We know why you're done. I posted you the document stating that directly from WADA. Do you need it again :lol1: This is why you get no respect. When presented with evidence that proves you're wrong, you ignore it and keep going with your agenda, all the while being on the "leave Manny alone" train. Of course the athlete's health and safety is the #1 priority when dealing with Therapeutic Use. What the hell would you think it would be? That's the whole damn reason for a Therapeutic Use Exemption. Thats not the main reason USADA exists first and foremost, they are paid to test athletes. Floyd’s TUE was not approved until after some weeks after the Pac fight correct me if im wrong. My point all along was, if Floyd was just dehydrated after the weigh in, why not just Plain normal saline drip and why give intravenous multivitamins and vitamin C just before the Pac fight plus the fact that TUE application still pending? Timing seems off to me.

He cleans bed pans and gives sponge baths at the nursing home, but he's a "healthcare professional". Arguing with these clowns is futile. Guys like him and Travesty have defended Floyd for years and thousands of posts. You would think they were on his payroll the way they dutifully come to his defense at all costs. Most reasonable fans know why Floyd made false accusations for PED use, insisted on moving the goal post with USADA in his pocket, and why he later got caught with an illegal IV. It doesn't take a forensic scientist to put the pieces of that puzzle together. I clean bed pans and give bed baths but have a knowledge about dehydration, labworks and treatments?lol, coming from a keyboard warrior like you thousands of miles away? okay, fair enough. Why dont you ask a doctor or any educated health care professionals about my posts. I certainly dont have to prove myself to you.