What type of question was that?, a prime tyson would have knocked haye into a coma in 2-3 rds tops no way is he on the same level as tyson in his prime. Tyson was faster, punched much harder, threw better blistering bombinations, was better defensivley, had a better chin, much better stamina, could knock you out with one punch, was a better counter puncher, just much better and much more dangerous, period.
How Dare You!!
Hagler would not only ko him but he would bust him up something terrible and then knock him out Marvin Hagler was the greatest MW in the history of the sport forget all the BS. Golovkin is a hype job and merely the second coming of Kelly Pavlik and Edison Miranda they were comparing Kelly Pavlik and Edison Miranda to Marvin Hagler until they were exposed absurd and blasphemous comparisons I might add.
Hagler was a complete fighting machine he could box superbly, counter punch exceptionally well, had great foot movement had one of the best jabs in the history of the sport, had arguably the best chin in the history of the sport, and could ko you with either hand,etc, all Golovkin brings to the table is a decent punch he is not exceptional in any other dept he does not have an offense or defense that stands out so what is all the hype about? Ouma a junior MW gave him all he could handle for 7-8 rds Rosado was in the fight fully and was slipping virtually everything Golovkin was throwing as well as touching Golovkin and hurting him, and neither of them are John Mugabi, Hagler could beat him in so many ways behind the jab, wait till he attacks and then counters him, attacks and breaks him down because Hagler had much bigger arsenal, and much higher skill level, a larger punch selection, and punched harder than Golovkin.
Golovkin beats his opponents by an accumulation of punches, not by one punch kos. He shouldn't even be spoken of in the same sentence as Hagler, Marvin would have punished and and knocked him out in spectacular fashion. I think a prime Pavlik would have beaten Golovkin Hagler would have killed him even at his best, when he had matured a prime Hagler would still annihilate him. He will never come face to face with a fighter in this era that even remotely resembles Marvin Hagler, Hagler would take him places he had never been and would expose all his weaknesses as if he was shining a spotlight on them and embarrass him.
Hagler has faced some of the biggest punchers in boxing history and all of them were destroyed and none of them had the power to hurt Hagler, Golovkins power is average and isn't enough to even make Hagler blink and that is all he really brings to the table, Hagler is head and shoulders above him in terms of skill and toughness, Hagler would have walked right through him and destroyed him, Mustafa Hamsho was too tough for Golovkin and would have beaten him even a prime Mugabi would have beaten Golovkin, even Roldan and Fully Obel would have beaten Golovkin I am convinced of it, Hagler embarrasses him and sends him out on stretcher in 5-6 rds knocking him out in spectacular fashion.
Went out of your way to find this thread and type all of that? Get a ****ing life man. Didn't read what you said anyway as I couldn't find myself to care. Marvin probably would win but damn, more ridiculous than the people who over-hype him.
You took time to quote and post a response to it and believe that I'm hyping Marvin but you didn't read it, how stupid is that? The only hype job is Golovkin, Marvin Hagler was the truth aint no hype about him, that media star Golovkin is the only hype job, aint no probably would win to it a prime Hagler would have ran him out of the ring plain an simple.
way too early...Hagler by decision or KO for now.
Hagler would have beat him to death plain an simple anyway that hagler chose to beat him he could have beat him it would be the same outcome when golovkin gets more experienced, skills pay the bills and golovkin does not have haglers skillset or toughness, hagler was more than a boxer puncher in his prime, take a look at the fully obel II fight and you will see what happens when you make marvin mad and he brings the fight to you. Like I said hagler was the best MW in history period and one of the all time greats of boxing he never received his just due in spite of all his accomplishments and dominant performances. I think it can be simply chalked up to plain jealousy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxjhOfZUyjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8uNVMC_oMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbLFJuLhjrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4fYLfTajko
SOme things should just not be joked about.
That says it I am glad I responded anyway lest some clueless individuals believe that mess and run with it.
ggg. beating the likes of ishida, rosado and macklin puts you right up there with the best MW ever. scratch that, it puts you ahead of the (now formerly) best MW ever. what did hagler ever do that compares to the vast achievements of golovkin since entering the pro ranks?
golovkin not only fights in a better era for his division but he fought all the best guys in that division, establishing that he is not only the best MW presently but in the history of boxing in the process. i mean come on, macklin, rosado AND ishida. thats the stuff of legends right there, marvin who?
golovkin knocks that bum out cold with a jab to the forearm in the first round.
You sound like a complete and total idiot who is clueless about boxing calling an all time great like hagler a bum a fighter who held the the MW championship for seven years and beat tough dangerous contenders in dominating fashion, a fighter who didnt get his first title shot until his 49th fight but still went on to be considerd in the eyes of many as the greatest MW to lace up the gloves, and comparing this weak deplorable MW era and it's fighters with the era that hagler reigned in, proves how stupid and clueless you are. Virtually every fighter that hagler defeated would be long reigning world champs in this weak MW era, roldan, mugabi, fully obel, hamsho, etc because hagler made it look easy doesn't mean they were easy fighters to beat they were facing marvin hagler that was the problem. Who the heck is macklin, rosado and ishida compared to haglers comppetition? the stuff of legends are you really serious!? or are you smoking cannabis wax laced with molly and pcp? All of the fighters i mentioned would beat the crap out of golovkin and rape macklin an ishida, I like rosado because he comes to fight but he would still get beat, and hagler would have chewed the hype job up and spit him out like a wad of snuff, get real clueless, uneducated, misinformed, golovkin groupie, you sound like the complete boxing novice and boxing virgin that you are making that stupid absurd statement, knockout hagler with a punch to the forearm? yea right that sounds completely stupid like something only a cluess russian golovkin comrade, a scrotum hugging ggg groupie would say. A prime Marvin Hagler obliterates golovkin in 4-6 rds without question.
Golovkin sodomises him.
It's a shame communism stopped the Eastern Europeans from sodomising the likes of Duran, Hearns, SRL and Hagler.
It's no coincidence that since the fall of the Soviet Union they have been laying the pipe in boxing.
You're talking about a different era the fabulous four would have destroyed any russian fighter at anytime, it's not like russians have a history as the most dominant fighters but blacks and hispanics do, it dont matter if the iron curtain was down fighters like hagler, leonard, duran, and hearns would have had them preferring to remain behind that iron curtain, you can believe that, skills pay the bills and hagler, leonard, duran, and hearns were pefect combinations of both skill and toughness they had all the tools not just one or two hagler would have beaten the crap out of golovkin and then koed him, 4-6 rds tops, eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy work, and keep that gay garbage off the boards.
Because it took Marvin so long to get to the title because of boxing politics by that time he was pretty much past his peak, so the hagler that beat hearns, mugabi, and leonard because he won that fight also they just gave it to leonard, that hagler was well past his prime and when he fought leonard he was just a shell of his former self, but he still won that fight in my opinion and gave leonard hell. Leonard by his own admission waited for hagler to decline before facing him because he felt he couldn't beat hagler in his prime, just notice how leonard praises hagler when calling his fights. Below are a few fights of hagler as close to his peak as I could find. And one more thing hagler never used his head but hamsho and antufermo were notorious for using their heads, hagler on occasion had to fight fire with fire, hamsho for instance was a notoriously rough, tough and dirty fighter and he could crack and had a chin like a fricking anvil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxjhOfZUyjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8uNVMC_oMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbLFJuLhjrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4fYLfTajko
I would love to see this fight,, but a prime hagler would dismantle GGG and stop him late,,,
GGG's power isnt going to affect hagler, and hagler was a very skillful boxer, and would switch stances till he found the one that had the best success vs GGG,, then he would put it on GGG and leave him bloodied and stopped in the 11th IMO
Now you sound like a person who is paying attention to the intricate skillset of each fighter, and that is what true boxing fans do and when you do that you can only come to one conclusion, hagler brutalizing golovkin.
Hagler would have beat him to death plain an simple anyway that hagler chose to beat he could have beat him it would be the same outcome when golovkin gets more experienced, skills pay the bills and golovkin does not have haglers skillset or toughness, hagler was more than a boxer puncher in his prime, take a look at the fully obel II fight and you will see what happens when you make marvin mad and he brings the fight to you. Like I said hagler was the best MW in history period and one of the all time greats of boxing he never received his just due in spite of all his accomplishments and dominant performances. I think it can be simply chalked up to plain jealousy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxjhOfZUyjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8uNVMC_oMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbLFJuLhjrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4fYLfTajko
Great points Dray
Thanks doninlouisiana . One other point rosado needs another trainer the advice jessie reed was offering in his timeof desperation was not helpful at all. Barry Hunter i feel would be a good fit for rosado. The guy is an excellent trainer who teaches skill and who has an eye for exactly whats going on in the ring. I think both david L (can't seem to get the spelling of his last name right 100% of the time) and rosado would benefit greatly from barry hunters guidance.
Dude you just said Hagler beat Leonard....you have lost all credibility as an analyst.
Only green boxing novices make ridiculous statements like the one you just made.
David needs to keep his hands glued to both sides of his head, bob, weave, slip and counter, and be mindful of the sneaky punches on the top of the head that golovkin throws and what's coming from underneath. If golovkin throws punches on the top of the head david needs to do the same. Its important to stay close in golovkins chest and rip hard, fast, explosives shots to the body and head from rd 1 -12, because golovkin needs distance to get leverage on his punches.. If david does this we could have a very interesting fight.
do you have eyeballs? how were those competitive fights troll boy? he won every round and battered them. rosado's corner was screaming he's going to kill your son.
Shut up clown that was a competitive fight for as long as it lasted the blood made it look much worse than it was and if any one is the troll you are. If saw my son bleeding like that I would probably panic also. You are obviously green and dont know boxing do yourself a favor and get some sleep, come back and discuss boxing when you have learned something about the sport.
Lemieux's chin did not look so good against Rubio. Golovkin took some great shots from Stevens. If chins get tested, and they will, can't see how Lemieux stays on his feet for long.
Stevens never caught golovkin flush on the point of the chin because golovkin kept his chin tucked. Stevens may have grazed him a few times but never caught him flush. And both stevens and rosado had their moments in their fights with golovkin and had him backing up at certain points in the fight. So he can be hurt. Had stevens been able to catch him flush things may have been a bit different. But both of them made the fight competitive and they are both b level fighters. Davids speed and power are going to present some problems for ggg. If he greatly improves his defense and works the body well this fight could be very interesting. Golovkin is still a flawed and unproven and untested fighter.
That means a whole lot coming from someone with that much credibility. Just kidding, aren't you the chump that only posts about how overrated GGG is, for years now? How's your butt doing now that GGG is taking over the sport, got used to the pain yet?
If you call fighting b level fighters with limitations taking over the sport then I guess he is.
Johnson fighting at 168 for the 2nd time in 10 years against one of the biggest and strongest SM's? I see him getting stopped late.
The Green fight was a great result for Glen, but it didn't say much about how he would compete against guys in the SM division far better than the zombie Green.
Green was equally as good or probably a better boxer than Froch , Johnson seems stronger at this weight he said that he jumped over SM to got LHW so this may have been his ideal weight all along, no way is Johnson getting stopped late by the likes of a Carl Froch when Tarver, Dawson, Jones, or Cloud didn't even come close to doing it, are you kidding me!? Froch is losing this fight.
Excuses are out of date. And he lost to Monroe twice...not once, but twice.
He finished Ouma, when he was 'ill' (since we are using excuses now). Basically retired him, broke his jaw. I agree that was probably his toughest fight to date. But that showed GGG's toughness.
Ouma was a fmr champion though? It was a competitive fight up until the stoppage but he ended it didn't he?
Lol schooled by Kell Brook - outlanded him in every round and knocked down in round 3.
https://www.boxingscene.com/gennady-golovkin-vs-kell-brook-compubox-punch-stats--108627
Lol outboxed by Canelo and Jacobs - outlanded them in 10/11 rounds and 9/11 rounds respectively. Dropped Jacobs and hurt him multiple times. How do you say they outboxed GGG but Leonard didn't outbox Hagler Lol??? Come on dude. Anyone saying Jacobs especially, or Canelo, did enough to take the titles from the champ is out of their dang mind.
I agree Hagler was tough, but he was a one-trick pony. He came at you and almost everyone couldn't match his power, chin and toughness. GGG could, and GGG is a considerably better boxer.
Honestly you saying that Canelo Jacobs and Brook were outboxing GGG tells everyone all they need to know about your interests. You can't even accurately analyze GGG because of how he looks. It's tiresome.
No point in talking anymore - 1) you think Kell Brook was schooling GGG 2) you think Canelo beat GGG 3) you think Jacobs beat GGG and 4) you think Hagler beat Leonard.
GGG could KO Charlo Dervy Saunders Canelo and Jacobs and you would still find a way to hate him.
And how am I a troll when I have been on these boards before you?You're the troll.But more importantly a GGG groupie and cheerleader and a green boxing novice.
http://******.craveonline.com/news/348975-darren-barker-breaks-down-gennady-golovkin-daniel-geale
Who do you trust, a retired top tenner, former beltholder or some red karma blowhard who cant tell the difference between ggg and Edison fcuking Miranda lol
Face it you are a biased ggg groupie, you act as if one mans opinion is the be all end all of it. There are just as many people and fighters who believe ggg is hyped and hasn't fought anyone and honestly they would be right.
Get to him as in hit him clean?
I consider Stevens as probably the most explosive puncher at 160, and in their fight he cracked GGG clean with a sweet hook and all it managed to do was make Golovkin take barely half a step back! So I doubt Rubio, who's more of a thudding puncher, will make much of a dent!
It's an entertaining scrap and I love that Rubio had the Cajones to take it but GGG is an olympic level boxer as well as a ferocious puncher! I see this as a tough but one sided beat down with Rubio stopped late! What I'll find most interesting is will Golovkin be able to stop him quicker than Pavlik did!
Curtis Stevens never caught GGG flush on the point of the chin because Golovkin kept his chin tucked and moved well if Stevens had caught him on the point of the chin it may have been a different outcome thats another fallacy that is being spread to hype GGG. With that being said Rubio may be able to make the fight interesting in certain stanzas but I doubt he will win but he could make it interesting. If Rubio wins I will be shocked but with Garcia in his corner and a good strategy who knows, one other thing worth noting is Rubio is a more skilled and accomplished fighter than Stevens and a better strategist, he can crack and take a punch as well, a Rubio win its not out the realm of possibility it will be interesting to see how well GGG deals with getting touched by Rubio and to see how Rubio deals with GGGs power if Rubio can take GGGs power it could be a long night for GGG and a very interesting fight. Those grant gloves are also an issue of contention Rosado said GGGs gloves didnt have padding in the knuckle area something the mayweather camp has been arguing about grant gloves also, if I were Rubios corner I would take a serious look into those claims it may explain why fighters claim it feels like they are being hit by bricks when they get hit by GGG, its a serious issue that needs to be investigated and addressed.
No rubio it wasn't the sauna that was killing you,it was that over the top left hook that killed you.
I believe Rubio. I have never known Rubio to not make weight. And trying to make weight when you have outgrown the weight can completely drain and deplete you. Take cotto for instance and how he was dropped regularly at 140 but now since he has moved up in weight he takes a punch much much better. When you are weight drained it completely dminishes your ability to take a punch. Rubio has proven himself to be a warrior and has faced big punchers in david and pavlik. He wasnt stopped in one rd by a bigger puncher in david and he went several hard rds with pavlik until his corner stopped the fight. So he can take a punch, I think his ko to ggg had more to do with being weak as opposed to ggg punching so hard. David is a harder pucnher than golovkin and rubio didn't succumb then. So why would he just fall over in the golovkin fight? Unless maybe because he was terribly weak.
Jacobs was surviving more than he was boxing at times, especially early.
Even though he made ggg look average You can't expect to win rounds when very little is coming back and you're on back for the whole time.
He did more later on but also got caught a couple of times that cost him a round or two.
Why not? Jacobs was landing often to the body and head he outlanded GGG in this fight because he slipped most of what GGG threw. Mayweather has won most of his fights with less activity and output than Jacobs showed tonight. Robbery to setup the big money Canelo fight.
you can thank that on the accumulation of punches
he was landing those punches against dawson, roy, green, mack ALL night
it's bound to hurt you or put you down if you lack chin i.e jones, green etc
That was one punch that koed Roy and Green he was not catching them clean up until that point when he caught them flush and clean they both went to sleep, if Johnson catches you clean he can ko you, Froch is good at tucking his chin when he throws I hope johnson picks up on that and lifts that chin up and chops the head off we they face each other.
Canelo picked Angulo because he saw what Lara is talking about. Angulo can't duck, can't slip, can't get out of the way of a punch. Stricken in yeats....and wars...and beatings.
I agree canelo hand picked angulo he knew all the wars and the lara fight had to eventually catch up with angulo, angulo was chosen to make canelo look great and resurrected. I want to see canelo in with a live dog with skill and who can crack I believe even cotto would give canelo a good fight because of his skill and experience, and if the cotto of old shows up using that left hook to the body which has been his bread and butter it could be a long night for canelo because of his stamina issues. I dont think for one second that canelo will just blow cotto out I think if the cotto that fought mayweather shows up using that patented body attack canelo has a good chance of losing, but if cotto shows signs of considerable wear and tear not so much.
The reality is you aint sugar ray leonard. Leonard was on another level in terms of skill and toughness. And canelo aint marvin hagler, marvin was in another league in comparison to canelo. Leonard also fought a diminished, faded, well past his prime marvin, while you are facing a prime and steadily improving canelo. Leonard was smart enough to never face marvin in his prime. And although canelo aint no marvin hagler, you facing him in his prime may very well backfire. If canelo becomes a relentless pressure fighter the night you face him I see you getting stopped in brutal fashion. Just depends on what version of canel shows up.
Geale was more accomplished till past saturday. So is Sturm. So what does that tell you?
If you dont see the difference between caveman Miranda (with 0 top ten wins) , basic double-jab Pavlik, and a guy with elite amateur background like ggg, i dunno what to tell you bud
Geale is a fragile swarmer, pavlik is a tough, durable, come forward, pressuring puncher, that's the difference. Pavlik wouldn't have folded from a light counter punch he would been walking ggg down and walking through his punches giving as good as he got, the difference is I don't believe ggg would have been able to withstand pavliks punches but pavlik certainly would have been able to withstand gggs onslaught thats the difference gggs stamina, toughness, chin and durabilty would have been tested in that fight and thats a whole lot of exams for one fighter to pass in one night, when he hasnt even proven he can pass one up tp this point. GGG would have eventually been backing up in that fight and I'm not sure he fights well backing up nor do I think he would be able to take a sustained beating from pavlik for 12 rds because he would have been hammered often for the full twelve. I think he only knows how to come forward and the jury is still out on his toughness,chin and durability. And you speak as if gggs skills are so much superior to pavlik and I'm sorry I just don't see that. GGG is a puncher with limited skills and versatility in my opinion.